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Replying to: backy (Jan 18, 2009 7:13 pm) |
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 18, 2009 8:02 pm) I am confused as to why an SUV buyer would pick the Camry, or any car for that matter. Wouldn't they buy an SUV?  Personally I find a hatchback a lot closer to an SUV than a sedan. Why isn't wanting the versatility of a hatchback configuration a valid reason to choose a hatch over a sedan? Remember, the cargo room of full-hybrid sedans is compromised by the battery pack. Anyway, who are you to tell someone that their reason for buying a car isn't valid--even if it's only because they want to make a statement about their "greenness"? People buy cars to make a personal statement all the time. The prices of the Prius and Camry Hybrid overlap. The Prius starts off around $23k and tops out around $30k, while the Camry starts around $27k and can get into the low $30s. The prices of Sonatas are a lot lower than those mid-sizers like the Accord, yet we compare sales of those cars all the time. So why not compare Prius sales to sales of other mid-sized hybrid cars?
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Replying to: backy (Jan 18, 2009 8:50 pm) Anyway, Prius should be more properly compared to compact sales, not midsize. Unless you're willing to say that all midsizers are overpriced because they're so much more expensive than the Versa. Like Versa and Elantra, Prius is not a legitimate midsize car: it makes it to that EPA designation due to interior volume technicalities, but dimensionally they're compacts or subcompacts(the Prius is narrower than any compact out there, in fact). By dimensionally I'm looking at length, width, wheelbase, legroom, hip room, etc.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 19, 2009 3:37 am) Personally I look first at interior room when determining whether a car is the "right size". The smaller the car is on the outside, the better I like it. The fact that a car could have a compact exterior and mid-sized interior is actually a big plus for me. |
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Replying to: backy (Jan 18, 2009 8:50 pm) Then you didn't read my original comment. A Camry or Fusion would be more "plush" than a Prius. Therefore someone coming out of an SUV for FE purposes would choose one of them over a Prius every time I say. Personally I find a hatchback a lot closer to an SUV than a sedan. I agree with that. However not everyone who bought an SUV bought it for the for the "U". They bought it because it's a nice safe comfortable ride. Again, if they are willing to step down to a mid-sized hybrid sedan, I still wager they would go for the more comfortable models. Anyway, who are you to tell someone that their reason for buying a car isn't valid--even if it's only because they want to make a statement about their "greenness"? More valid to the argument. Try to keep up backy! 
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 19, 2009 6:19 pm) The "payback" time of a hybrid doesn't seem to be there yet for someone driving 15K miles or less per year, even when gas prices are at $3 per gal. |
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 19, 2009 6:19 pm) What is "plush" anyway? I wouldn't call a lot of SUVs I've ridden in "plush." Have you driven the 2010 FFH, TCH, and Prius and compared their relative "plushness" and comfort levels? Have you interviewed every person who is going from an S_V (no U involved, remember) to a hybrid car to see whether they would prefer a sedan or hatchback? No? Yet you are sure that someone coming out of an SUV for FE purposes would choose one of them over a Prius every time--even though the Prius trumps them on FE? Okee doke. As long as you are telling people what is valid or not valid to buy, we could talk about everyone who buys an SUV for any reason but going off-road did so for an invalid reason. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 19, 2009 6:19 pm) Other people say something else. They obviously have different buying criteria than you do. For example, check out posts 172, 744, 1471, and 1693 here: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0a4a2c.f0a4a16/0
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Replying to: backy (Jan 19, 2009 6:43 pm) Have you driven the 2010 FFH, TCH, and Prius and compared their relative "plushness" and comfort levels? No, and I stated that previously. Have you interviewed every person who is going from an S_V (no U involved, remember) to a hybrid car to see whether they would prefer a sedan or hatchback? No? Yet you are sure that someone coming out of an SUV for FE purposes would choose one of them over a Prius every time--even though the Prius trumps them on FE? IMO, yes, I do think they would look right past the Prius and go with the more comfortable cruisers. Is that so hard to understand? What's your opinion on the matter? Obviously you don't agree with mine so what is your take? As long as you are telling people what is valid or not valid to buy, Again, valid to the argument. I never said what you are implying. This has just become pointless to argue anymore because I just read your profile. Looks like anything negative about the Prius is off-limits with you. 
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Replying to: backy (Jan 19, 2009 7:27 pm) 172 is about someone taking delivery of their Prius. What exactly does that have to do with them trading in their SUV and choosing a Prius over the Camry hybrid which was the only other mid-sized hybrid at that time, 08/2006, IIRC? 744 shows us someone looking for a Prius to replace an SUV but we never find out if he bought one or not. His posts just stop. Same for 1471. 1693's author just tells us about his/her new Prius but I don't see where s/he owned an SUV that was traded in for it. Those were all nice, but are there any newer posts that pertain to the argument at hand? Someone who traded in an SUV for a Prius and passed up the Camry hybrid, Altima hybrid, Malibu hybrid and Fusion hybrid? Obvioulsy the last one isn't out yet so I'll settle for the other three. |
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