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Re: Prirus [gooddeal2] by thegraduate
Jan 18, 2009 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:36 am)

Well, the diff. in MPG is still not significant to me as an average driver. For a 12K miles/year, Yaris 12K / 32 mpg = 375 gallons v. Prirus 12K/46.5mpg = 258 gallons = 117 gallons saving per year or about 0.32 gallon/day.
 
When gas was $4 a gallon, those 117 gallons would've amounted to a 13th car payment's worth of gas ($468). Let's face it, gas won't stay under $2 forever! By the way, if you drive 20k a year like I do, that number is significantly higher.
 
I don't have a hybrid, and don't "pull for Toyota" in any way, just stating a dissenting opinion here.
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Re: Prirus [thegraduate] by gooddeal2
Jan 18, 2009 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 18, 2009 7:42 am)

I just read this from edmunds review...
 
The gas engine produces 76 horsepower and 82 pound-feet of torque, while the electric-drive motor produces the equivalent of 67 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. Net peak horsepower is 110, mainly because the two power sources hit their peaks at different times.
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Hyundai Sonata 08..Need advise on two issues by SS0198
Jan 18, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Hi,
I have a 08 HYUNDAI SONATA (GLS-V4) and it has 30,000 miles on it and I bought it with a warranty and it is certified.
 I have some issues that I noticed recently
1. Some times I notice or feel weird sound when I am driving on a normal road as we see this kind of sound when your car drives on a curb. (For example when you are driving on a highway and you get in to a curb...you can feel that it is curb).
Is this some thing with the road or have to do some thing with tires. Tires looks good so far.
2..I also noticed that there is a small crack on the glass where the odometer is present. Is this some thing urgent I have to take care ASAP.
I really appreciate if some one give some information about my first issue
I have the warranty and do you think if I take it to a dealer they will be taken care.
Thanks all for your help
SS
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Re: Prirus [gooddeal2] by backy
Jan 18, 2009 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:36 am)

The Prius is not a car that meets your needs and that's fine. But there are people for whom the Prius is a viable alternative to mid-sized sedan hybrids like the FFH and TCH.
 
Also, since we are talking here about the 2010 FFH, it's fair that we talk about the 2010 Prius, which was unveiled in Detroit and will be available soon. That car has a total system output of 134 hp, which is low compared to other mid-sized cars except the smallest ones (Elantra, Sentra, Versa), but it does get the Prius from 0-60 in 9.8 seconds, considerably quicker than before and plenty of power for most people IMO. Also, although EPA ratings haven't been announced yet, Toyota expects the 2010 Prius to average 50 mpg on the EPA tests, again a good bump up from the previous car, which was 46 mpg average per EPA. And there are improvements in handling and interior room, also in equipment--e.g. anyone who wouldn't buy a Prius because it didn't offer a factory moonroof, there's not only a moonroof option but it's a solar-powered moonroof that keeps the interior cool while the car is parked. Also other electronic gadgets like touch sensors on the steering wheel, lane departure, even an OnStar-like system.
 
Anyway, I predict the 2010 Prius will be cross-shopped by many folks looking also at the FFH. Depending on how much Toyota has tweaked the handling on the Prius, the Fusion will be the likely choice for people who value crisp handling, and of course those who want a sedan configuration and want to buy from a U.S. automaker. The FFH will also likely still have an advantage in rear-seat width, important for those who haul 3 in back regularly, while the Prius has the cargo-hauling advantage with its hatch.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata 08..Need advise on two issues [SS0198] by backy
Jan 18, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: SS0198 (Jan 18, 2009 8:55 am)

You might get more responses if you post this in the Hyundai Sonata Problems discussion, but a couple of thoughts. The car is still under the factory bumper-to-bumper warranty, so if you think there's a problem with the suspension, take it into the dealer. Suspension noise has been reported on the 2008 Sonata, and it seems worse on some cars than on others. The car seems to have some "normal" noise that has been reported by many professional test drivers, but there also seems to be some cars that have excessive noise. Hard to tell from your description just what is going on with your car. Take it in, have them check it out (including having the service tech go on a drive with you), and maybe ask to drive another 2008 Sonata over the same kind of roads where you hear the noise on your car and see if you hear similar noise.
 
Re the crack in the glass near the odometer, do you mean a crack in the clear plastic covering the gauges? That would be covered under warranty also, as long as it was due to a defect and not due to abuse. That might be hard to determine, but if I were you I'd take it to the dealer and see what they say.
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Re: Prirus [gooddeal2] by thegraduate
Jan 18, 2009 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:45 am)

Net peak horsepower is 110, mainly because the two power sources hit their peaks at different times.
 
Exactly. At 5,000 RPM, the horsepower peaks between the two engines, at 110.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata 08..Need advise on two issues [backy] by explorerx4
Jan 18, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 18, 2009 9:29 am)

backy i will bet it is a forum troll. they make 1 negative post and don't return.
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Re: Hyundai Sonata 08..Need advise on two issues [explorerx4] by backy
Jan 18, 2009 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 18, 2009 5:48 pm)

Or maybe just someone who didn't know exactly where to post, so they figured "Mid-sized Sedans" would cover it? Besides, it's much too cold to troll--lakes are all frozen over now.
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Re: [jeffyscott] by baggs32
Jan 18, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jan 18, 2009 4:30 am)

Ford did ask for a line of credit. They wanted it to be available should they need it.
 
Originally, yes, but they turned it all down in the end. The original statement implied that they were still asking for money and that is not true.
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Re: [backy] by baggs32
Jan 18, 2009 (8:02 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 18, 2009 6:09 am)

what are the sales numbers since the Camry Hybrid was introduced of that car vs. the hatchback Prius? Or add up the total sales of the CH, the Altima Hybrid, and the GM sedan hybrids over that time and compare to Prius sales. That might give some indication as to whether hybrid buyers prefer a mid-sized sedan or mid-sized (if marginally) hatchback configuration.

 
That has nothing to do with WHO is buying them though. My suggestion was that SUV buyers would pick the Camry, or similar, over a Prius.
 
The Prius is a "look at me I'm so green" kind of car IMO. A statement care if you will. I think people making a switch for more valid reasons would choose a real mid-sized sedan over the Prius.
 
I don't think you can fairly compare Camry hybrid sales to Prius sales anyway. Isn't the price of the Prius lower?

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