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13283 messages, Last post on Nov 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 17, 2009 10:41 pm) We already have some empirical evidence on this, to wit, what are the sales numbers since the Camry Hybrid was introduced of that car vs. the hatchback Prius? Or add up the total sales of the CH, the Altima Hybrid, and the GM sedan hybrids over that time and compare to Prius sales. That might give some indication as to whether hybrid buyers prefer a mid-sized sedan or mid-sized (if marginally) hatchback configuration. As to the effect of Ford's financial situation on pricing, I agree there is no direct effect. I think there is a psychological effect, however, i.e. I think many buyers expect "fire sale" prices from automakers now because of market conditions. That's why I think a $27k base (more loaded) FFH will be a tough sell while gas prices stay low and they sit next to regular FFHs with excellent FE numbers for their class at about $10k less--fancy displays with leaves sprouting and bunnies dancing (OK, maybe not that) notwithstanding.
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Prirus is NOT a mid-size sedan to some people, myself included. You cannot just raises the trunk to have more space inside thus making this car to be a mid-size car. The great mileage on the Prirus b/c: 1. it's a compact sedan. 2. it has a tiny engine w/ low HP than any sub-compact sedans. If you compare the Prirus to other small engine cars (1.5L) like the Yaris, Fit, or Versa, the mileage is not much better but the HP is a lot lower.
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 6:51 am) Um, sorry, that's really not true. Are you sure you compared them?  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Nissan Versa, 122hp - 24-27 city / 31-33 hwy *Toyota Yaris, 106hp - 29 city / 35-36 hwy *Honda Fit, 117hp - 27-28 city / 33-35 hwy *Toyota Prius - 110hp - 48 city / 45 hwy (19-24mpg better city / 9-14mpg better hwy) ----------------------------------------------------------- (Up to 100% better fuel economy than the vehicles you mention, with at most, 12 fewer horses). Pretty big economy differences with little power-tradeoff if you ask me!
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 18, 2009 7:15 am) What I try to say is that some people like to compare the Prirus to a REAL mid-size car like a Camry or Altima to make others think that the Prirus really save them a lot of gas. *Toyota Prius - 110hp Well, I just compared them using carsdirect and it says the HP for Prirus is 76HP...from toyota website: Power output 76 hp  5000 rpm (57 kW 5000 rpm) Electric Motor Power output 67 hp 1200-1540 rpm (50 kW 1200-1540 rpm) Hybrid System Net Power 110 hp (82 kW) |
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:36 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:36 am) When gas was $4 a gallon, those 117 gallons would've amounted to a 13th car payment's worth of gas ($468). Let's face it, gas won't stay under $2 forever! By the way, if you drive 20k a year like I do, that number is significantly higher. I don't have a hybrid, and don't "pull for Toyota" in any way, just stating a dissenting opinion here.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 18, 2009 7:42 am) The gas engine produces 76 horsepower and 82 pound-feet of torque, while the electric-drive motor produces the equivalent of 67 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. Net peak horsepower is 110, mainly because the two power sources hit their peaks at different times.
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Hi, I have a 08 HYUNDAI SONATA (GLS-V4) and it has 30,000 miles on it and I bought it with a warranty and it is certified. I have some issues that I noticed recently 1. Some times I notice or feel weird sound when I am driving on a normal road as we see this kind of sound when your car drives on a curb. (For example when you are driving on a highway and you get in to a curb...you can feel that it is curb). Is this some thing with the road or have to do some thing with tires. Tires looks good so far. 2..I also noticed that there is a small crack on the glass where the odometer is present. Is this some thing urgent I have to take care ASAP. I really appreciate if some one give some information about my first issue I have the warranty and do you think if I take it to a dealer they will be taken care. Thanks all for your help SS
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 18, 2009 7:36 am) Also, since we are talking here about the 2010 FFH, it's fair that we talk about the 2010 Prius, which was unveiled in Detroit and will be available soon. That car has a total system output of 134 hp, which is low compared to other mid-sized cars except the smallest ones (Elantra, Sentra, Versa), but it does get the Prius from 0-60 in 9.8 seconds, considerably quicker than before and plenty of power for most people IMO. Also, although EPA ratings haven't been announced yet, Toyota expects the 2010 Prius to average 50 mpg on the EPA tests, again a good bump up from the previous car, which was 46 mpg average per EPA. And there are improvements in handling and interior room, also in equipment--e.g. anyone who wouldn't buy a Prius because it didn't offer a factory moonroof, there's not only a moonroof option but it's a solar-powered moonroof that keeps the interior cool while the car is parked. Also other electronic gadgets like touch sensors on the steering wheel, lane departure, even an OnStar-like system. Anyway, I predict the 2010 Prius will be cross-shopped by many folks looking also at the FFH. Depending on how much Toyota has tweaked the handling on the Prius, the Fusion will be the likely choice for people who value crisp handling, and of course those who want a sedan configuration and want to buy from a U.S. automaker. The FFH will also likely still have an advantage in rear-seat width, important for those who haul 3 in back regularly, while the Prius has the cargo-hauling advantage with its hatch. |
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Replying to: SS0198 (Jan 18, 2009 8:55 am) Re the crack in the glass near the odometer, do you mean a crack in the clear plastic covering the gauges? That would be covered under warranty also, as long as it was due to a defect and not due to abuse. That might be hard to determine, but if I were you I'd take it to the dealer and see what they say.
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