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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [csandste] by thegraduate
May 20, 2007 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: csandste (May 20, 2007 11:25 am)

I don't remember a non-conservative Accord since 1990. I don't mean they have been bad-looking (I'm partial to the 1994-1997 design) but they certainly have been conservative for nearly 20 years.
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Re: 2008 Honda Accord [thegraduate] by csandste
May 20, 2007 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 20, 2007 11:36 am)

Agree completely, including that the 94-97's were the best looking of the bunch.
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Legacy for me!! by dinomartini
May 20, 2007 (3:45 pm)
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The Legacy is my personal favourite, its a really under rated Camry/Accord alternative. It is available with a six speed manual, looks really good, has a turbo charged engine, what more can you ask for? You actually control the car, when you steer the car you feel where it is on the road, you feel how its handling, how it is breaking. Instead of getting no response and completely unresponsive, mushy breaks on the Camry. The Camry is really just an appliance, a white good. It will never be as fun or good looking as the Legacy or Aura. It maybe good quality, but there is no soul there, no passion. Something I need in a car.
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Re: Accord Prices [plekto] by captain2
May 20, 2007 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (May 20, 2007 10:31 am)

not that invoice means too much (generally about MSRP*.9), but any car mfgr out there (that is making money), will generally not exceed 60% in direct mfg. costs including labor. So therefore this $20k Accord that invoices for $18k, likely costs Honda maybe $11k to make. This rest, of course, goes to cover overhead, insurances, taxes, and profit. If those kind of margins bother you, than you better stay home and keep your money in your mattress - these kind of margins are normal for anybody that actually manufactures almost anything. If you are expecting even GM/Ford/Chrysler to base pricing on actual cost to manufacture, or even feel that they aren't entitled to it - about all I can say is don't hold your breath.
And sure, the fact that Honda is discounting a little more than usual right now on the last year before a model year change is not strange at all - and will have a negative effect on resale values - although I would be willing to bet that resale values won't go down (on a percentage basis) as much as the 'drive out' prices have - making them even more of a true 'value' then they were a year ago.
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Re: Accord Prices [thegraduate] by baggs32
May 20, 2007 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 20, 2007 6:35 am)

Well, considering the Accord's resale is best-in-class and that rebates are being offered only now that it is due for a complete overhaul, I'm gonna say it sure doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
Someone else can probably verify but IIRC Accords were being discounted $3000 - $4000 last year during the end of the model year run. I do remember Edmunds showing a "Manufacturer to Dealer" "Marketing Support" incentive of $3000 and I'm pretty sure it was as high as $4000 at one time. As I understand it, this cash is not on the hood but is available to the dealer if they really need to make sales. So not everyone saw it when they bought an Accord during that time last year.
 
I'm not writing this to imply that there's a problem with the Honda resale formula mind you. I just wanted to point out that they do at times offer a good bit of cash even if it is handed out at the dealer's discretion. Cash like that also allows them to print those outrageous ads showing a car for a crazy low price, then you walk in the door looking for that deal (the bait), and finally walk out with a different car (the switch).
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Re: Accord Prices [baggs32] by imidazol97
May 20, 2007 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (May 20, 2007 4:34 pm)

>Cash like that also allows them to print those outrageous ads showing a car for a crazy low price, then you walk in the door looking for that deal (the bait), and finally walk out with a different car (the switch).
 
And you walk out with a whole lot less of the (secret) discount that most customers don't know about but the dealer knows to keep his hands on.
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Re: Accord Prices [imidazol97] by oldcem
May 20, 2007 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 20, 2007 5:12 pm)

I actually had a Honda dealer try to pull that one on me a few years ago. They were advertising a new Accord at a good price. Wife and I went and liked at the car, and, told the salesman we'd take it. The guy just walked away from us, and, never came back. After standing around for 30 minutes, we left and bought a similar car at another dealership.
 
Regards:
Oldengineer
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Re: Accord Prices [captain2] by jd10013
May 20, 2007 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 20, 2007 3:49 pm)

And sure, the fact that Honda is discounting a little more than usual right now on the last year before a model year change is not strange at all -
 
agreed. its easier for them to rebate heavily now at the end of this generations run. You have to figure all the design and engineering costs have been paid for. From what I understand, when a company makes a new car, or redesigns an existing one, the guess how many units they will sell of it. They use that number to spread all the development costs over. being as the accord probably sold a good bit more units than anticipated, it probably generates more profit than it did 3 years ago. and, there is more room to lower the price.
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Re: Accord Prices [jd10013] by imidazol97
May 20, 2007 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: jd10013 (May 20, 2007 5:50 pm)

>You have to figure all the design and engineering costs have been paid for.
 
But they need that profit to pay for the development of the new version!!!
 
The logic doesn't wash about the discounting. They are incentives and they aren't even above board to all customers like other companies are.
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Re: Accord Prices [imidazol97] by plekto
May 20, 2007 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 20, 2007 6:19 pm)

I don't have a problem with them making a profit, just that Honda has a very hefty margin, especially when optioned out. It's not uncommon to see invoice and MSRP have a several thousand dollar spread, so there's tons of room to haggle if you bother to try.

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