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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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2010 Fusion Hybrid overrated? by aviboy97
Jan 15, 2009 (10:57 am)
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New article on Edmunds shows that the Fusion Hybrid got far less then their EPA estimates and was actually beat out by the Camry by almost 6mpg city. They did say lousy weather could account for a bit of that.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Hybrid overrated? [aviboy97] by akirby
Jan 15, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 15, 2009 10:57 am)

And a bunch of reporters BEAT the epa estimates, getting as much as 52 mpg.
 
Not surprising from Edmunds, given their past track record.
 
I can't find a link to the article.......
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Re: 2010 Fusion Hybrid overrated? [akirby] by bpizzuti
Jan 15, 2009 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 15, 2009 11:09 am)

It's on inside Line. They also came out and said that weather was the likely factor, and they needed to test the vehicles the same day under the same conditions, as the two figures are not comparable given the different testing conditions.
 
So much as the secret Toyota agents try, there is no pulling down Ford.
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Link by pat HOST
Jan 16, 2009 (7:57 am)
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2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid Full Test
 
Enjoy!
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Re: Link [pat] by urnews
Jan 16, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: pat (Jan 16, 2009 7:57 am)

Good read on the 2010 Fusion Hybrid. I did enjoy it.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Hybrid overrated? [akirby] by baggs32
Jan 16, 2009 (6:21 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 15, 2009 11:09 am)

And a bunch of reporters BEAT the epa estimates, getting as much as 52 mpg.
 
One of them being Motor Trend. They compared it directly to the Camry, Altima, and Malibu hybrids on the same days and in the same conditions. That is how you are supposed to conduct a comparison and Edmunds needs to follow up with this because they just compared apples to oranges in that article. The Fusion came out way ahead of all of them in the MT comparo BTW.
 
Edmunds seems to have arrived at unusually high numbers for the Camry in that article too. Be it the weather, the driver, or whatever, something seems terribly off balance with their results.
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by vanman1
Jan 16, 2009 (6:39 pm)
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Hybrids are great on gas and all but with $1.80 gas, no one cares anymore. Sales of the Prius are down 50%.
 
I fear the Fusion Hybrid is not going to sell all that well but I think the I-4 will if priced well. People need to give big three cars like Fusion and Malibu a drive, they are really good.
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Re: [vanman1] by akirby
Jan 17, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: vanman1 (Jan 16, 2009 6:39 pm)

Ford is only selling 25K FFHs as opposed to the Prius at 100K. Ford won't have any trouble selling 25K FFHs. Escape hybrids are still selling well. People who buy Fusion and Escape Hybrids don't do it just for the mpg. They're just buying the most fuel efficient version of that vehicle. Most people who buy a Prius buy it strictly for the fuel mileage so of course they're going to be affected more by low gas prices.
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Re: [akirby] by mickeyrom
Jan 17, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 17, 2009 8:24 am)

"Ford is only selling 25K FFHs as opposed to the Prius at 100K. "
Care to explain that? A Prius certainly does not cost 100K,and what is a FFH?
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Re: [mickeyrom] by backy
Jan 17, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jan 17, 2009 9:35 am)

100k cars (not price). Ford Fusion Hybrid.
 
Even though Ford has modest sales goals for the Fusion Hybrid, it will be interesting to see how it does if gas stays below $2 a gallon. The hybrid starts around $27k, and a Fusion I4 can be had with decent equipment for under $20k--with improved fuel economy for the 2010 model year. Those who are OK spending $27k+ for a hybrid may turn to the 2010 Prius, if it is roomy enough. Then there's the 2010 Insight, reportedly starting well under $18k, if a smaller car will fit. The Insight is a compact, though, so not direct competition for the Fusion. But I think the Prius is. As is the Camry hybrid of course, which is improved for 2010 MY also and has a starting price less than the Fusion.

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