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Suspension and ride by imidazol97
Jan 13, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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I'm glad to read the discussion about the good and bad of various suspension types. I too prefer a suspension that doesn't tranmit each pebble through the tires to the car seat. I like to travel for 7 hours and arrive feeling comfortable.
 
The tire profile and type of tire is also a big factor. I dread picking a next car because many have lower profile tires which transmit more road shock. I like a suspension that has control but is able to absorb. But when the wheels and tires are low height, a lot more is going to come through.
 
In some brands, going up to fancier, better equipped models also means a change in tire profile and ride.
 
I had a Mustang Pace Car that had the early Michelin TRX tires that were lower profile and I realized then how much the tires contribute to the irritation of tar strips and slight bumps that get tiring after a while, and that's only my opinion.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions by starryknight
Jan 13, 2009 (8:13 pm)
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I couldn't agree more about the lower profile tires. I guess that's another beef I have with the more recent cars. I prefer a good 6"+ between the wheels and the road. 17"+ wheels are just too big for my liking. My Taurus had 16" and that's as big as I want to go.
 
Backy, I knew I forgot a car that I did test drive a couple of years ago, which was a Sonata, both the 4 & 6 cyl. I remember the ride being smooth and I liked the power of the V6 but still had the same issue with strut travel.....bottoming out with potholes and also sometimes going over speed bumps, etc. Also, I've been reading about too many people having issues with noisy suspensions on these cars. Not really sure what's up with that, though.
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Re: Suspension and ride [imidazol97] by backy
Jan 13, 2009 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 13, 2009 7:38 pm)

I know what you mean about feeling every pebble and low-profile tires. I happened to get a Mazda3 when I rented a car in LA recently, and at first I said, "Yay, a Mazda3!" But after being punished by LA's freeways for a couple of days, I wished I had a smoother riding car. I almost wished I had rented a Camry. Almost.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [starryknight] by bpizzuti
Jan 14, 2009 (3:26 am)
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Replying to: starryknight (Jan 13, 2009 6:48 pm)

In that case I would seriously recommend to you the Lincoln Town Car or Mercury Marquis. That seems to be the road feel you're looking for if you find a Camry too firm (most of us who have experienced Camrys associate them with the old Buick plushie-ride...BTW Buick is a lot more road-connected these days too).
 
When the 2010 Fusion comes out in a month or two it's going to have improved horsepower on both engines, but I DON'T know if they're making changes to the suspension. Also, test-drive the BASE wheel size in a vehicle...a lot of times upgrades get plus-size wheels which lowers the tire profile.
 
A CAMRY too firm...now I've heard it all.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [bpizzuti] by mickeyrom
Jan 14, 2009 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 14, 2009 3:26 am)

My Optima is a bit too firm for me too,but one gets used to it.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [bpizzuti] by imidazol97
Jan 14, 2009 (5:18 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 14, 2009 3:26 am)

>Also, test-drive the BASE wheel size in a vehicle...a lot of times upgrades get plus-size wheels which lowers the tire profile.
  
>A CAMRY too firm...now I've heard it all.
 
But be sure to test drive in the model you intend to purchase. If I understand, the Camry LE is softer and more Buick-like (I own two) while the SE is firmer. I had driven an SE when last shopping in 02.
 
Watch the tire pressure on the vehicle you test drive. Having the tires low or high can confuse your perception of whether the ride and drive is as you yourself would prefer.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [bpizzuti] by jeffyscott
Jan 14, 2009 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 14, 2009 3:26 am)

A CAMRY too firm...now I've heard it all.
 
and yet he said "I really like the ride on the Fusion"
 
I did not even test drive a Camry, as my assumption has always been that it is among the softest riding and vaguest handling cars (I also did not like the seat, anyway...so no need to drive one).
 
I'd have guessed the Fusion would be above (or below, depending on your desires) the Accord in terms firmness of ride. In any case, whatever the order between those two, I'm very surprised that someone who feels an Accord is too stiff and did not find the Camry to be different enough from the Accord, would like the Fusion's ride.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [imidazol97] by venture
Jan 14, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 14, 2009 5:18 am)

Watch the tire pressure on the vehicle you test drive. Having the tires low or high can confuse your perception of whether the ride and drive is as you yourself would prefer.
 
That's a mouthful.
 
When I picked up my Mazda6s GT it rode very firm. Now I like a firm ride, but this was starting to worry me. Every pavement joint was a jolt.
 
I checked the air pressure and each tire had 43 pounds of air. I lowered them all to 32 psi, which is what they are supposed to be, and now it's juuuust right.
 
I would guess that many cars driven on test drives have not had the complete PDI done yet, or they missed that part.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions [starryknight] by explorerx4
Jan 14, 2009 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: starryknight (Jan 13, 2009 6:48 pm)

as a ford guy, i would say wait a bit longer then try out the fusion with the 2.5 4cyl with the 6 speed auto.
i have an 07 awd and i really like how the 6 speed works.
the fusion ride is a bit soft for me and rolls too much in the corners. between my wife and i we had 3 taurii, but they were all sho's.
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Re: Wanted - Softer Suspensions by starryknight
Jan 14, 2009 (7:42 pm)
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Now now. If everyone had the same preferences in ride quality, everyone would be buying pretty much the same car, wouldn't they?? Everyone has their own perceptions and opinions of what is soft and what is firm and I respect that. When I read reviews on Edmunds, KBB, Car & Driver, etc and read that they concluded the ride to be very plush on cars like the Camry, Impala, Azera, etc, and that these cars had the tendancy to bounce and bob going over dips on the highway, my perception was that they would be similar to the cars of the 80's. I was just a little suprised (and maybe a little disappointed) that they weren't really that soft, that's all. I really don't want to go the large car route, like the Grand Marquis or the more expensive Town Car. That's really too big, even though I would probably come closer in achieving my objective, plus I don't want RWD. As far as Buicks go, I haven't actually driven one in probably 15 - 20 years. They have never been a car I've been drawn to but maybe I'll try one out. And, bpizutti, I never said the Camry's ride was "too firm". I said the ride was a bit softer than my Accord but not enough so that I would be willing to lose a few thousand trading it in. Reading everyone's input and opinions, it looks like I won't find that perfect ride but will have to make some compromises instead. I do appreciate and respect everyone's input in this discussion. Thanks

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