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13142 messages,  Last post on Nov 08, 2009 at 7:34 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [akirby] by jeffyscott
Jan 10, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 9:15 pm)

23/34 mpg is an impressive improvement. This equals the 23 mpg city that was the 2007 rating with the 2.3 engine and the old, much easier EPA test. The Hwy figure is 3 mpg better than the 2007, despite the tougher test.
 
This is also 2 mpg city and 4 mpg highway better than the Mazda6 gets from the same engine.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5] by backy
Jan 10, 2009 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 6:43 am)

The Fusion/Milan is pretty close in size to others in this group, e.g. Altima, Aura, Camry, Malibu, Optima, Sonata. The Accord and Mazda6 are a bit bigger, but that seems to be the trend for sedans--make 'em bigger with each generation. But Ford has the Taurus/Sable for true full-sized cars, so they really don't need a bigger Fusion/Milan, whereas Honda and Mazda have to make their cars fit a broader demographic since they don't offer a true full-sized car.
 
Technically, the Elantra and Prius (along with the Spectra) are the smallest cars in the EPA's mid-sized or "family car" class. And guess what? They (Prius and Elantra) get the highest fuel economy in the class (well, Prius for sure for hybrids and Elantra for non-hybrids in the city and maybe overall). No big surprise there--they are considerably smaller, lighter, and lower-powered than the rest of the class. Which makes the EPA results on the 2010 Fulan even more impressive.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [bpizzuti] by thegraduate
Jan 10, 2009 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 10, 2009 4:24 am)

Dunno about Honda, but they're dangerous and will attempt to top Ford.
 
They're dangerous because... they'll try and remain competetive? Is Honda the "bad guy" to you? Maybe not, but your wording makes it sound that way.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [thegraduate] by bpizzuti
Jan 10, 2009 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 10, 2009 12:19 pm)

They should be considered dangerous to Ford because they have the capability to be VERY competitive should they choose to. Nissan too, come to think of it. In that sense, as competition, they ARE dangerous.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy] by elroy5
Jan 10, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 10:59 am)

"The Fusion/Milan is pretty close in size to others in this group, e.g. Altima, Aura, Camry, Malibu, Optima, Sonata. The Accord and Mazda6 are a bit bigger, but that seems to be the trend for sedans--make 'em bigger with each generation. But Ford has the Taurus/Sable for true full-sized cars, so they really don't need a bigger Fusion/Milan, whereas Honda and Mazda have to make their cars fit a broader demographic since they don't offer a true full-sized car".
 
The Fusion/Milan being undersized is not the point. The point is, it is smaller, so it should get better mileage than an Accord or 6. If you are giving up interior space, shouldn't you be rewarded, with better mileage?
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5] by backy
Jan 10, 2009 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 4:37 pm)

Per your logic, because the Accord is smaller inside than the Sonata, Accord should get higher fuel economy. But it doesn't.
 
You just don't want to give Ford credit for anything, do you?
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy] by bpizzuti
Jan 10, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 4:50 pm)

You just don't want to give Ford credit for anything, do you?
 
It's kind of illustrative of the problems the Detroit 3 face. They've made junk for so long, and have left such a bad taste in the mouths of so many customers, many DO refuse to give them credit for anything.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy] by elroy5
Jan 10, 2009 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 4:50 pm)

I think there are some things more important than 2mpg. I think most Americans will trade that 2mpg, for more interior space. Heck most of them would probably trade that for better cupholders. Not a big advantage, IMO. But then I chose a V6 model, so gas mileage is not a top priority of mine.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5] by explorerx4
Jan 10, 2009 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 6:30 pm)

one of the reasons i bought a fusion is that i am over six feet and can fit in the back seat.
there is enough head room and plenty leg room for me.
another feature i was looking for was awd and i was willing to give up some mpg to get it.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5] by m6user
Jan 10, 2009 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 4:37 pm)

The Fusion/Milan being undersized is not the point. The point is, it is smaller, so it should get better mileage than an Accord or 6. If you are giving up interior space, shouldn't you be rewarded, with better mileage?
 
1. The term "undersized" is a misnomer. Saying it has a little smaller cubic foot total than some other midsizers would be closer and even then that does not always equate to more comfort or feeling of spaciousness in a vehicle.
2. I'm sure one could find many cars smaller inside than the Fusion/Milan and that get less mpg.
3. A Corvette has less interior space....does that mean it should get better mpg? The 2010 Fusion looks like it will tie or beat many compact cars that certainly have less interior space. Maybe we should be complaining about those cars instead.
4. If you are so hung up on minute differences in interior space than maybe we should look at the percentage ratios of interior space vs. mpg to make our buying decisions. A little ridiculous don't you think?

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