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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [joe97]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 10, 2009 (4:24 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jan 09, 2009 10:26 pm)
Toyota's got the same arrogant gene GM does, and will come up with a reason why they actually have best in class mileage (say comparing the Camry Hybrid trim to Ford's I4 or V6). GM's own arrogant gene will lead it to create a stripper XFE Malibu with no options, and optional rear seat, and the weight savings will give it 34.1 MPG with a 6 speed manual, thereby allowing GM to claim they have class-leading fuel economy.
Dunno about Honda, but they're dangerous and will attempt to top Ford.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [joe97]
by backy
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Jan 10, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jan 09, 2009 10:26 pm)
This is developing into a major pissing contest. I noticed how Ford compared the 2.0L engine on the Focus to the 2.4L engine (not 1.8L) on the Corolla in its press release, for example. Since Ford is not above comparing apples to oranges, I can envision other automakers taking Ford to task for claiming the highest FE in a mid-sized sedan. One of the mid-sized (aka "family") sedans in the EPA's group is the Elantra--with 25/33 ratings and 28 overall. The overall rating for the Fusion wasn't mentioned, but it's possible it's no better than 28 and could be less. Also Elantra's city mpg tops Fusion's. So if Hyundai was in the mood, they could pick on Ford for their claim of top fuel economy on a (non-hybrid) mid-sized sedan.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy]
by elroy5
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Jan 10, 2009 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 6:32 am)
Isn't the Fusion the smallest car in this group? Doesn't it have the least interior room? Shouldn't it have the best fuel economy?
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [akirby]
by jeffyscott
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Jan 10, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 9:15 pm)
23/34 mpg is an impressive improvement. This equals the 23 mpg city that was the 2007 rating with the 2.3 engine and the old, much easier EPA test. The Hwy figure is 3 mpg better than the 2007, despite the tougher test.
This is also 2 mpg city and 4 mpg highway better than the Mazda6 gets from the same engine.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5]
by backy
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Jan 10, 2009 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 6:43 am)
The Fusion/Milan is pretty close in size to others in this group, e.g. Altima, Aura, Camry, Malibu, Optima, Sonata. The Accord and Mazda6 are a bit bigger, but that seems to be the trend for sedans--make 'em bigger with each generation. But Ford has the Taurus/Sable for true full-sized cars, so they really don't need a bigger Fusion/Milan, whereas Honda and Mazda have to make their cars fit a broader demographic since they don't offer a true full-sized car.
Technically, the Elantra and Prius (along with the Spectra) are the smallest cars in the EPA's mid-sized or "family car" class. And guess what? They (Prius and Elantra) get the highest fuel economy in the class (well, Prius for sure for hybrids and Elantra for non-hybrids in the city and maybe overall). No big surprise there--they are considerably smaller, lighter, and lower-powered than the rest of the class. Which makes the EPA results on the 2010 Fulan even more impressive.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [bpizzuti]
by thegraduate
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Jan 10, 2009 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 10, 2009 4:24 am)
Dunno about Honda, but they're dangerous and will attempt to top Ford.
They're dangerous because... they'll try and remain competetive? Is Honda the "bad guy" to you? Maybe not, but your wording makes it sound that way.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [thegraduate]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 10, 2009 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 10, 2009 12:19 pm)
They should be considered dangerous to Ford because they have the capability to be VERY competitive should they choose to. Nissan too, come to think of it. In that sense, as competition, they ARE dangerous.
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy]
by elroy5
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Jan 10, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 10:59 am)
"The Fusion/Milan is pretty close in size to others in this group, e.g. Altima, Aura, Camry, Malibu, Optima, Sonata. The Accord and Mazda6 are a bit bigger, but that seems to be the trend for sedans--make 'em bigger with each generation. But Ford has the Taurus/Sable for true full-sized cars, so they really don't need a bigger Fusion/Milan, whereas Honda and Mazda have to make their cars fit a broader demographic since they don't offer a true full-sized car".
The Fusion/Milan being undersized is not the point. The point is, it is smaller, so it should get better mileage than an Accord or 6. If you are giving up interior space, shouldn't you be rewarded, with better mileage?
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [elroy5]
by backy
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Jan 10, 2009 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 10, 2009 4:37 pm)
Per your logic, because the Accord is smaller inside than the Sonata, Accord should get higher fuel economy. But it doesn't.
You just don't want to give Ford credit for anything, do you?
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Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 10, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 10, 2009 4:50 pm)
You just don't want to give Ford credit for anything, do you?
It's kind of illustrative of the problems the Detroit 3 face. They've made junk for so long, and have left such a bad taste in the mouths of so many customers, many DO refuse to give them credit for anything.
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