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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11369 of 20187 Re: Say it isn't so! [akirby]
Jan 09, 2009 (5:27 pm)
They modified the existing platform.
CD3 is what Ford renamed it in reference to their "global" identity. I learned that the platform was not jointly developed, but, rather developed by Mazda alone. Ford was allowed to just use it and modify it. Ford essentially modified a complete Mazda6 and gave the world the Fusion. This saved Ford $10 billion. Yes, $10 billion. Since Ford uses this platform in several vehicles, Ford made out very well.
The 06-09 Fusion and 03-08 Mazda6 were so very very close. The power plants were identical and transmissions were different. In fact, the dash board architecture were identical. HVAC vents were in the same place. The top center of the dash was a storage compartment. If you were to open up the hood of both I4 and V6 models, you could not tell the difference between the two. Everything was in the same exact place. Where the differences came in were suspension components, steering system, braking system and enhanced frame rigidity points. The Mazda was tuned for performance and the Fusion was tuned for a more forgiving ride.
What we see now with the 2010 Fusion and 2009 Mazda6 is that they have grown apart. The Mazda6 went the route of improving their award winning vehicle by loading it with technology (keyless ignition, BSMS, Bluetooth phone and audio, Xenon HID lights etc...), larger in size, competitive with fuel economy and still be the best mannered on the road.
The Fusion has really grown into it's own and really separated it's self from the Mazda. We see it has a more aggressive and sporty design. It offers Sync and other updated technology. It offers 6-speed trannys in every model (which helps it's FE). Interior layout is nothing like the Mazda6 anymore. And Ford added a wonderful Hybrid engine and updated 3.0L (it's about time, too!!)
As far as I know, the Mazda designed 2.5L and Ford designed V6 (3.5L for Ford and the Mazda built and tuned 3.7L) and the basic platform (which is not a big part of the car), there is not much of a similarity anymore. I'm sure there are some parts that they use the same supplier for, like various electrical components etc...
We all know that Ford is a little late to the party, however, they are here and they are offering one hell of a car. It's irrevelant how long they took to get here. They are here, and lets hope they are here to stay.
#11370 of 20187 Re: Say it isn't so! [baggs32]
Jan 09, 2009 (6:10 pm)
the kids drive it, so that is their problem. of course, i don't believe that for a second.
#11371 of 20187 Re: Say it isn't so! [aviboy97]
Jan 09, 2009 (6:21 pm)
i have a fusion and you can see the bones of the mazda6. all you have to do is look at the plastic cover in the chassis side where the bottom of the door meets the carpet.
then it drops down another level towards the center of the car.
makes for a good side impact area.
#11372 of 20187 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........
Jan 09, 2009 (9:15 pm)
And the winner is......Fusion! 23 city, 34 highway. That's an improvement of 3 mpg city and 6 mpg highway (yes, 6!) while also adding more power over the 2009 2.3L I4. Best in class.
I guess at Ford Fuel Economy is now Job 1!
#11373 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [akirby]
Jan 09, 2009 (9:46 pm)
#11374 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [thegraduate]
Jan 09, 2009 (10:26 pm)
And here are the tops of the class:
Tops of the class:
2010 Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan 6-spd auto - 23/34
2009 Chevy Malibu/Pontiac G6/Saturn Aura 6-spd auto - 22/33
2009 Nissan Altima 6-spd manual - 23/32
2009 Hyundai Sonata/Kia Optima 5-spd auto - 22/32
2009 Kia Optima 5-spd manual - 22/32
2009 Nissan Altima CVT - 23/31
Ironic no Toyota/Honda on that list (until you go further down).
#11375 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [joe97]
Jan 10, 2009 (4:24 am)
Toyota's got the same arrogant gene GM does, and will come up with a reason why they actually have best in class mileage (say comparing the Camry Hybrid trim to Ford's I4 or V6). GM's own arrogant gene will lead it to create a stripper XFE Malibu with no options, and optional rear seat, and the weight savings will give it 34.1 MPG with a 6 speed manual, thereby allowing GM to claim they have class-leading fuel economy.
Dunno about Honda, but they're dangerous and will attempt to top Ford.
#11376 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [joe97]
Jan 10, 2009 (6:32 am)
This is developing into a major pissing contest. I noticed how Ford compared the 2.0L engine on the Focus to the 2.4L engine (not 1.8L) on the Corolla in its press release, for example. Since Ford is not above comparing apples to oranges, I can envision other automakers taking Ford to task for claiming the highest FE in a mid-sized sedan. One of the mid-sized (aka "family") sedans in the EPA's group is the Elantra--with 25/33 ratings and 28 overall. The overall rating for the Fusion wasn't mentioned, but it's possible it's no better than 28 and could be less. Also Elantra's city mpg tops Fusion's. So if Hyundai was in the mood, they could pick on Ford for their claim of top fuel economy on a (non-hybrid) mid-sized sedan.
#11377 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [backy]
Jan 10, 2009 (6:43 am)
Isn't the Fusion the smallest car in this group? Doesn't it have the least interior room? Shouldn't it have the best fuel economy?
#11378 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion 2.5L Fuel Economy........ [akirby]
Jan 10, 2009 (6:46 am)
23/34 mpg is an impressive improvement. This equals the 23 mpg city that was the 2007 rating with the 2.3 engine and the old, much easier EPA test. The Hwy figure is 3 mpg better than the 2007, despite the tougher test.
This is also 2 mpg city and 4 mpg highway better than the Mazda6 gets from the same engine.