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13141 messages, Last post on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 1:59 pm) Then have fun driving down the road in single digit temps with no driver's side window!  I too use that keypad on our Explorer all the time. It's often easier to use it when your hands are tied than to dig in your pocket for the fob.
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Read in USA Today today that Ford and Toyota are having a little tiff over who has the highest mpg in a mid-sized car. Toyota wants to make it clear that they have the mid-sized car with the highest fuel economy: Prius. Ford's take: c'mon, everyone knows the target of the Fusion hybrid is the Camry hybrid, as Fusion and Camry are both mid-sized sedans. All right now, children, if you don't stop squabbling you will be sent to bed without your supper!  http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-01-07-toyota-ford-midsize-hybrid_N.htm
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 08, 2009 6:10 pm) Man, I would move if I got tied up that often. 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 08, 2009 3:10 am) Where have you been? The Mazda6 has been around since 2002 as a MY2003. BTW, Ford used Mazda's GG/GY platform to develop the Fusion/Milan and Ford saved $10 billion by doing so (something I learned at my recent tour of the Mazda6 factory in Flat Rock, MI). Now that Mazda6 is all new for 2009, and the Fusion went under the knife, they are hardly similar, with the exception of a basic platform and a Mazda designed 2.5L power plant. Calling them "basically the same" is such a total lie in regards to their current form. The 06-09 Fusion was almost a rebadged 03-08 Mazda6. Ford used the award winning Mazda6 architecture to get back into the mid-sized segment after the demise of the Taurus. 5 minutes of web surfing would have told you that. Saying CX-9 has it means nothing since we are specifically discussing the mainstream midsize class Means everything. Ford was not innovative by using a blind spot monitor detection system, Mazda has it in their Mazda6, and has utilized that technology for over a year now.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 08, 2009 8:32 pm) Surfing the Internet reading about the Fusion/Mazda6 relationship. The Mazda6 was significantly smaller than a typical midsize, so I'm not sure it really counts as a midsize (same with the Subie Legacy, come to think of it). Ford took that gen Mazda6 and heavily revised the platform, including lengthening and widening it, to make the Ford Fusion (also added AWD, which was not available on the 6). Mazda in turn used THAT platform to make the NA market Mazda6 with Mazda-tuned suspension and tranny (and probably steering rack but I'm not sure). Still can't get AWD or Sync on the 6 though, which kinda sucks, but what can one do? It's not blatant badge-engineering like Cobalt/G5 (or Fusion/Milan, come to think of it) but there's definitely a very close relationship between the two vehicles.
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Replying to: backy (Jan 08, 2009 7:29 pm)  Then again, they could be specific, showing off the greater interior volume, horsepower, AND MPG than competing hybrid sedans (asterisk indicating that the competition is the TCH, NAH, and Chevy Malibu pseudo-hybrid) Personally, I'd prefer to see the pistols at noon |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 09, 2009 3:28 am) The 1st-gen 6 counts as a midsize in this forum, and about 99% of all other automotive publications, as well as the EPA classification system. It's a midsize. Always has been, probably always will be. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 09, 2009 3:28 am) Not to get nit picky, but, that's not true. Again, I visited Auto Alliance International in Flat Rock, MI, and had an extensive lesson about the Mazda6 and learned some valuable information from people on the Mazda6 project and engineer insight. there's definitely a very close relationship between the two vehicles. They are more like third cousins now.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 09, 2009 10:25 am)
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