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#11337 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [aviboy97] by akirby

Jan 07, 2009 (1:28 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 07, 2009 12:39 pm)
The 2006 Fusion was a nice start but was done well before the current leadership got on board. The 2010 Fusion is an example of what the current Ford team can do when given the right incentives and management support.
 
Give Ford credit for not waiting for a new platform to make huge changes:
 
New IP and center stack
Manumatic shifting
6 speed auto and manuals across the board
upgraded 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder engines with more power AND better FE
new hybrid and 3.5L V6 powertrains
new features - blind spot, cross traffic and rear view camera
new front and rear styling
capless fueling
 
I'm sure there are a few more. And Ford did all of this just 3 years and 4 months after the Fusion first appeared in dealers. That's unheard of (but also necessary), even for Honda and Toyota.
 
Time to give kudos where they've been earned.

#11338 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [akirby] by captain2

Jan 07, 2009 (2:17 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Jan 07, 2009 1:28 pm)
my only point is that for all those features you mention (what the h--- is 'capless fueling') All and/or almost all (depending on the mfgr.) have been available for a number of years on competing models. Ford is simply playing a bit of catch up.
 
The fact that Ford has managed to improve quality in the face of their financial problems is certainly worthy of note, even if it has cost a bunch of Americans their jobs.
 
This is what I find hard to forgive. Ford has been doing what it has needed to be doing in the last few years and may just be the lone survivor of the 'Big 3'.

#11339 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [captain2] by bpizzuti

Jan 07, 2009 (2:36 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (Jan 07, 2009 2:17 pm)
have been available for a number of years on competing models. Ford is simply playing a bit of catch up.
 
Umm, exactly WHICH automobile in the class has blind-spot detection? Capless fueling? 6 speed trannys on ALL engines?
 
Trannys...GM did 6 speeds, Honda only has 5, Toyota maxes at 5 speeds (weren't they using a 4 speed on the 2.4 liter recently?).
 
Blind spot stuff, NONE of them have it. Ford has SURPASSED the competition in several areas, get over it. You hate Ford, that's fine, but try and at least be objective. I hate GM but I'm not going to deny the fact that THEY were in fact the first ones in the class to put 6 speed auto trannies on ALL engines in the Malibu except for the "hybrid" one.

#11340 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [mz6greyghost] by jeffyscott

Jan 07, 2009 (6:04 pm)

Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jan 06, 2009 4:20 pm)
"It’s not immediately apparent that the Ford Fusion would be more reliable than the Toyota Camry, but it is, and the Fusion is one of the more reliable family sedans on the market.”
 
That was worded so oddly it needs to be highlighted that CR is saying that the Fusion is more reliable than the Toyota Camry. That is a huge victory for Ford.

#11341 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by explorerx4

Jan 07, 2009 (6:22 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 07, 2009 2:36 pm)
i am a ford guy and i really like one feature they have that none of the others do, the keypad entry.
i like not having to carry my keys with me when i leave the vehicle.
drop the keys somewhere inside and retrieve them when you need them.
if the kids need something out of the car, they know the combination and can get in to get it without the keys.
right now i am using it because the garage door opener remote in my car isn't working for the most part.
i back out of the garage, walk over to the explorer which is always parked outside, punch in the entry code, use that remote to close my garage door, lock it back up and drive away in my car. i don't need to carry the explorer keys to do this.

#11342 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by akirby

Jan 07, 2009 (6:35 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 07, 2009 2:36 pm)
You forgot AWD and Sync - neither of which is available on the Camcordimas.
 
Ford didn't just catch up - they've leaped ahead in every category that I can see (with the 2010 model).

#11343 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [akirby] by bpizzuti

Jan 07, 2009 (6:48 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Jan 07, 2009 6:35 pm)
Well, they haven't surpassed in warranty...Hyundai still has it. SYnc is very good, though Chrysler has MyGIG.

#11344 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by akirby

Jan 07, 2009 (7:00 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 07, 2009 6:48 pm)
True, but a warranty is just an insurance policy and has nothing to do with the vehicle itself. They're purchased, not engineered. And while Hyundai has made huge strides they're still not as reliable as Ford, Honda and Toyota - yet.

#11345 of 18198 by vanman1

Jan 07, 2009 (7:12 pm)

"Blind spot stuff, NONE of them have it. Ford has SURPASSED the competition in several areas, get over it. You hate Ford, that's fine, but try and at least be objective. I hate GM but I'm not going to deny the fact that THEY were in fact the first ones in the class to put 6 speed auto trannies on ALL engines in the Malibu except for the "hybrid" one"
 
Ford is really putting a lot into the new Fusion. I look forward to seeing one.
 
I have a 6-speed 3.6L Malibu and the transmission is amazing. Ford is using the same one, the factory that makes them is a joint venture Ford/GM.

#11346 of 18198 Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by baggs32

Jan 07, 2009 (7:13 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 07, 2009 6:48 pm)
though Chrysler has MyGIG.
 
Ford does now offer a hard drive with their Nav system. However it is not like MyGIG where you can get it without the Nav so it's not quite as readily available or affordable.
 
I'm not a big fan of the whole hard drive in a radio thing but I do know a few people with new Chrysler vehicles and they love their MyGIG. Maybe I need to play with one to truly appreciate it.

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