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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by explorerx4
Jan 06, 2009 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

i have no idea about their recommended rating.
all i know is some people are loath to not follow their recomendations.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by akirby
Jan 06, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

If it was that easy then the Camry V6 would still be on there, but it's not. I don't think just average reliability would cut it, although it doesn't have to be perfect either.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

Yes, average reliability is a minimum requirement for getting "recommended." My folks' new 2008 Taurus had such a rating, and was recommended for 2008.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate] by bpizzuti
Jan 06, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm)

As I recall the Fusion now has the coveted red circle with the white dot in the middle now.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 5:51 pm)

Yeah, i remember it has gotten good ratings from the very start!
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by m6user
Jan 06, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

The Malibu was recommended way back in 97, but knowing of one first hand, I would not recommend it.
 
Gee, I knew somebody that had a lot of trouble with an Accord once......I haven't been able to recommend a Honda product since they are all trouble prone according to my vast experience.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [m6user] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jan 06, 2009 6:25 pm)

Both sides make decent points here. m6 is right, nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle, but that Malibu being rated good turned out to be a joke; those years proved to be terrible for reliability for the Malibu and its clones.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate] by bpizzuti
Jan 07, 2009 (3:27 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 7:36 pm)

nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle,
 
Unfortunately, that's what a lot of people do, judge based on experiences with one example: the one they bought and drove. It's hard to give the same model another chance when you got stuck with a lemon. The trick is to have as few of those as possible, since it's impossible to have zero. Honda and Toyota learned that a long time ago. Toyota is starting to forget, but a few years back Ford learned it too. Notice the most reliable seem to be the smaller-volume manufacturers? As Toyota got bigger they started losing their vaunted reliability. Ford is shrinking itself, and now they're "Fantastic On Road Driving" instead of "Found On Road Dead."
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2] by targettuning
Jan 07, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:19 am)

We just rented an Altima for a week over the holidays and the 175 hp 4 cyl was great with acceleration to surpass some V-6's I have driven recently, a 2009 Pontiac G6 readily comes to mind. Additionally, in ALL the last several Car & Driver mid-size family sedan comparisons (4 cylinders) the Altima plain whipped all the competition including the larger more powerful 4 from Honda in almost all (if not all) performance categories. In my opinion it does NOT need a more powerful engine to "keep up" with Honda or Toyota since it is already in front of either.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [targettuning] by thegraduate
Jan 07, 2009 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Jan 07, 2009 6:11 am)

in ALL the last several Car & Driver mid-size family sedan comparisons (4 cylinders) the Altima plain whipped all the competition including the larger more powerful 4 from Honda in almost all (if not all) performance categories.
 
Thanks to the CVT, the engine stays at the power peak when you have your foot to the floor. The Honda's 4-cylinder is 2354cc compared to the Altima which is about 150cc larger, so it makes more torque (but not horsepower, in this case).
 
The Altima certainly doesn't need more 4-cyl power, as it has excellent fuel economy and good power (180 lb-ft of torque compared with the competition's 160-170).

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