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Re: Say it isn't so! [explorerx4]
by elroy5
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Jan 06, 2009 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:33 pm)
Doesn't "average" reliability (or average anything) get you recommended by CR? The Malibu was recommended way back in 97, but knowing of one first hand, I would not recommend it. It's too easy to get that Check Mark from CR.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5]
by explorerx4
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Jan 06, 2009 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)
i have no idea about their recommended rating.
all i know is some people are loath to not follow their recomendations.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5]
by akirby
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Jan 06, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)
If it was that easy then the Camry V6 would still be on there, but it's not. I don't think just average reliability would cut it, although it doesn't have to be perfect either.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5]
by thegraduate
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Jan 06, 2009 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)
Yes, average reliability is a minimum requirement for getting "recommended." My folks' new 2008 Taurus had such a rating, and was recommended for 2008.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 06, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm)
As I recall the Fusion now has the coveted red circle with the white dot in the middle now.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti]
by thegraduate
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Jan 06, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 5:51 pm)
Yeah, i remember it has gotten good ratings from the very start!
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5]
by m6user
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Jan 06, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)
The Malibu was recommended way back in 97, but knowing of one first hand, I would not recommend it.
Gee, I knew somebody that had a lot of trouble with an Accord once......I haven't been able to recommend a Honda product since they are all trouble prone according to my vast experience.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [m6user]
by thegraduate
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Jan 06, 2009 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jan 06, 2009 6:25 pm)
Both sides make decent points here. m6 is right, nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle, but that Malibu being rated good turned out to be a joke; those years proved to be terrible for reliability for the Malibu and its clones.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 07, 2009 (3:27 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 7:36 pm)
nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle,
Unfortunately, that's what a lot of people do, judge based on experiences with one example: the one they bought and drove. It's hard to give the same model another chance when you got stuck with a lemon. The trick is to have as few of those as possible, since it's impossible to have zero. Honda and Toyota learned that a long time ago. Toyota is starting to forget, but a few years back Ford learned it too. Notice the most reliable seem to be the smaller-volume manufacturers? As Toyota got bigger they started losing their vaunted reliability. Ford is shrinking itself, and now they're "Fantastic On Road Driving" instead of "Found On Road Dead."
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2]
by targettuning
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Jan 07, 2009 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:19 am)
We just rented an Altima for a week over the holidays and the 175 hp 4 cyl was great with acceleration to surpass some V-6's I have driven recently, a 2009 Pontiac G6 readily comes to mind. Additionally, in ALL the last several Car & Driver mid-size family sedan comparisons (4 cylinders) the Altima plain whipped all the competition including the larger more powerful 4 from Honda in almost all (if not all) performance categories. In my opinion it does NOT need a more powerful engine to "keep up" with Honda or Toyota since it is already in front of either.
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