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13142 messages,  Last post on Nov 08, 2009 at 7:34 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Say it isn't so! [mz6greyghost] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jan 06, 2009 3:20 pm)

You are a little late to the party. CR recommended the Fusion/Milan, Taurus/Sable, and Mustang (also the Edge, Expedition, Sport Trac, F-150, and Taurus X plus four Lincolns) way back in their April 2008 issue. They also touted the great reliability of the Fusion and Milan back then too. So the sky fell a long time ago. You must have been under protective cover at the time.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [explorerx4] by elroy5
Jan 06, 2009 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:33 pm)

Doesn't "average" reliability (or average anything) get you recommended by CR? The Malibu was recommended way back in 97, but knowing of one first hand, I would not recommend it. It's too easy to get that Check Mark from CR.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by explorerx4
Jan 06, 2009 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

i have no idea about their recommended rating.
all i know is some people are loath to not follow their recomendations.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by akirby
Jan 06, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

If it was that easy then the Camry V6 would still be on there, but it's not. I don't think just average reliability would cut it, although it doesn't have to be perfect either.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

Yes, average reliability is a minimum requirement for getting "recommended." My folks' new 2008 Taurus had such a rating, and was recommended for 2008.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate] by bpizzuti
Jan 06, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm)

As I recall the Fusion now has the coveted red circle with the white dot in the middle now.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [bpizzuti] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 5:51 pm)

Yeah, i remember it has gotten good ratings from the very start!
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Re: Say it isn't so! [elroy5] by m6user
Jan 06, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jan 06, 2009 4:26 pm)

The Malibu was recommended way back in 97, but knowing of one first hand, I would not recommend it.
 
Gee, I knew somebody that had a lot of trouble with an Accord once......I haven't been able to recommend a Honda product since they are all trouble prone according to my vast experience.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [m6user] by thegraduate
Jan 06, 2009 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jan 06, 2009 6:25 pm)

Both sides make decent points here. m6 is right, nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle, but that Malibu being rated good turned out to be a joke; those years proved to be terrible for reliability for the Malibu and its clones.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [thegraduate] by bpizzuti
Jan 07, 2009 (3:27 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 06, 2009 7:36 pm)

nobody should make a judgment about all vehicles of one model from one particular vehicle,
 
Unfortunately, that's what a lot of people do, judge based on experiences with one example: the one they bought and drove. It's hard to give the same model another chance when you got stuck with a lemon. The trick is to have as few of those as possible, since it's impossible to have zero. Honda and Toyota learned that a long time ago. Toyota is starting to forget, but a few years back Ford learned it too. Notice the most reliable seem to be the smaller-volume manufacturers? As Toyota got bigger they started losing their vaunted reliability. Ford is shrinking itself, and now they're "Fantastic On Road Driving" instead of "Found On Road Dead."

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