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13325 messages,  Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by gooddeal2
Jan 06, 2009 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 9:00 am)

Malibu topping Altima and doing nearly 70% of Camry's sales volume in December is IMO a tremendous achievement for GM...
 
...topping by 44 cars?
 
YTD Altima = 269,668 v. YTD Malibu = 177,088
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:03 am)

Altima used to be WAY ahead of Malibu in sales. That is why I said it was a tremendous achievement for GM. Also people aren't talking about Nissan going bye-bye, as they are with GM. Makes it harder to sell cars under those conditions.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by berri
Jan 06, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 11:06 am)

You see a good number of Altima's in rental fleets
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by gooddeal2
Jan 06, 2009 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 11:06 am)

I understand.
 
BTW, I think the Nissan needs to put t a bigger engine in the Altima, may be a 2.7 L w/ 200HP? The Altima engine used to be the leader, now the Accord is at or even better (EX) than the Altima. And if the Camry gets a new 2.5L engine in about 1-2 months, the Altima will not be the special car any more.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [berri] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 06, 2009 11:16 am)

Yes, and along with Malibus also Camrys, Mazda6's (even the new 2009s are showing up), Sonatas, Optimas, Fusions/Milans, G6's, and in some places even Accords. But with rental car companies keeping cars longer and suffering from a business downturn of their own, automakers can't simply dump their extra units there.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:19 am)

175 hp is plenty for me. I think the specialness of the Altima is more due to its handling and styling, vs. power. I am weird, but if fuel economy in mid-sizers could be increased significantly by trimming power a bit, I'm all for that. My 3000 pound Jetta with a 4AT has only 115 hp and it gets me around just fine--although I don't think I'll take it on a dragstrip.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2] by maxamillion85
Jan 06, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:19 am)

couldnt they just use the 200 hp verison of the 2.5 found in the Sentra SER Spec V?
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Say it isn't so! by mz6greyghost
Jan 06, 2009 (3:20 pm)
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You'd better sit down for this...
 
According to certain news sources, the February issue of Consumer Reports lists some recommendations for the 2009 new cars. Although their tests are about "halfway through", they've listed a few noteworthy choices early, including the Chevy Malibu LTZ V6, and not one but SIX Ford models, including the Ford Fusion SEL and Mercury Milan Premier. (Others not related to this discussion include the Taurus and Taurus X, Mercury Sable, and Lincoln MKZ).
 
A spokesman even was quoted as saying: "It’s not immediately apparent that the Ford Fusion would be more reliable than the Toyota Camry, but it is, and the Fusion is one of the more reliable family sedans on the market.”
 
The sky must be falling if even CR recommends a Ford midsize sedan.
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Re: Say it isn't so! [mz6greyghost] by explorerx4
Jan 06, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jan 06, 2009 3:20 pm)

i have some neighbors who won't wipe their a...ahhh um, nose without consulting c-r to figure out what kind of tissue to use.
can't see them buying a ford soon, but who knows.
one time i counted the cars on my street. only 7 including 2 corvettes out of about 50 were domestic brands, and i have 4 of them.
i was at the oral sugreon the other day and he was talking up ford,
one of my co workers, a lexus driver, was talking up ford to me.
i find it kind of weird.

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