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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: [bpizzuti] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 3:30 am)

And the reality is that people still perceive Toyota as better...
 
Not a whole lot of people perceive this, in my experience. Pretty much both Toyota and Honda are tops in perception, with different kinds of drivers preferring each, but both with very positive views. Now the car mags, that's another thing... Toyota generally gets knocked due to softer handling vs. Honda, but both are considered quality brands. This is very apparent if you look at Camry vs. Accord reviews. It's almost always "Camry is really smooth, but boring; Accord has all those buttons but is more a driver's car." With some exceptions, e.g. Camry taking the MT COTY a year or so ago.
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Reality or Perception? by bwia
Jan 06, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Well the December and annual sales data answers that question.
 
Model/Dec. 08/% ch from 07/YTD/% ch from YTD 07
Camry/25,275/-34.5%/436,617/-7.7%
Accord/22,338/-28.5%/372,789/-5.0%
Malibu/17,355/+48.5%/177,088/+51.5%
Altima/17,311/-31.2%/269,668/-5.3%
Fusion/10,274/-24.1/147,569/-1.3%
 
The Sonata did not make the top 20 and Malibu's are only one third of Camry.
Source: http://www.online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
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Re: Reality or Perception? [bwia] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Jan 06, 2009 6:28 am)

Malibu topping Altima and doing nearly 70% of Camry's sales volume in December is IMO a tremendous achievement for GM, given all the bad press about GM's future. Also the numbers show that the updated 2010 Fusion is coming just in time... or maybe dealers were running low on the 2009s?
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by baggs32
Jan 06, 2009 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 9:00 am)

Malibu topping Altima and doing nearly 70% of Camry's sales volume in December is IMO a tremendous achievement for GM, given all the bad press about GM's future.
 
No official numbers are out yet but don't be surprised if Malibu fleet sales are very high for December.
 
A large jump in month to month sales like that typically means a lot of them were dumped to fleets. I'm not saying that's definitely what happened, and for GM's sake I hope not, but history tells us that it probably was the reason for the higher number that month. Take a look at the Impala too. 9000 more sold in December than in November? 6000 more Malibus sold in December than in November? Makes one wonder doesn't it?
 
Note that sales of others like the Fusion, Accord, Camry, etc stayed fairly flat from month to month.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by gooddeal2
Jan 06, 2009 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 9:00 am)

Malibu topping Altima and doing nearly 70% of Camry's sales volume in December is IMO a tremendous achievement for GM...
 
...topping by 44 cars?
 
YTD Altima = 269,668 v. YTD Malibu = 177,088
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Re: Reality or Perception? [gooddeal2] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 06, 2009 11:03 am)

Altima used to be WAY ahead of Malibu in sales. That is why I said it was a tremendous achievement for GM. Also people aren't talking about Nissan going bye-bye, as they are with GM. Makes it harder to sell cars under those conditions.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by berri
Jan 06, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 11:06 am)

You see a good number of Altima's in rental fleets
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Re: Reality or Perception? [backy] by gooddeal2
Jan 06, 2009 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 06, 2009 11:06 am)

I understand.
 
BTW, I think the Nissan needs to put t a bigger engine in the Altima, may be a 2.7 L w/ 200HP? The Altima engine used to be the leader, now the Accord is at or even better (EX) than the Altima. And if the Camry gets a new 2.5L engine in about 1-2 months, the Altima will not be the special car any more.
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Re: Reality or Perception? [berri] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 06, 2009 11:16 am)

Yes, and along with Malibus also Camrys, Mazda6's (even the new 2009s are showing up), Sonatas, Optimas, Fusions/Milans, G6's, and in some places even Accords. But with rental car companies keeping cars longer and suffering from a business downturn of their own, automakers can't simply dump their extra units there.

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