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13310 messages,  Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 7:19 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Accord buttons [gooddeal2] by plekto
Jan 04, 2009 (11:56 pm)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Jan 04, 2009 5:20 pm)

It's like a Japanese video arcade. I thought dashes like that died a well deserved death in the mid 80s?
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Re: Accord verses Mazda6 continued [maxamillion85] by aviboy97
Jan 05, 2009 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion85 (Jan 03, 2009 11:20 pm)

Great review. I like it when members post a detailed and un bias post.
 
The Accord is a very tough vehicle to beat, simply because Honda as "gotten it right" for so many years. No one can deny that.
 
I will say that I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the comparison of interior materials. I think the Mazda6 uses high material quality, and is put together very well. I really don't see much difference between the build quality of the Accord and Mazda6. The door arm rest is padded BTW, on the Mazda6.
 
I would by a 6 simply because of the drive and the fact that it is built at least as good as the Accord. IMO
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Re: Yet another mid-sized hybrid sedan coming [backy] by explorerx4
Jan 05, 2009 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 04, 2009 10:35 am)

not sure if this is the first day it is available, but the sedan hybrid comparison is available on the c & d online mag.
i would like to see at the very least, a camry & fusion hybrid versus camry & fusion 4 cyl versions. 4 on 4 would be better.
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by vanman1
Jan 05, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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"The Accord is a very tough vehicle to beat, simply because Honda as "gotten it right" for so many years. No one can deny that".
 
You don't get a free pass because your past cars have been good. The new Accord in my eyes is a design disaster. Probably why I see far more new Camrys than Accords on the road. Probably 5 to 1.
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Re: [vanman1] by m6user
Jan 05, 2009 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: vanman1 (Jan 05, 2009 6:34 pm)

You don't get a free pass because your past cars have been good
 
The reverse should also be true. There are a lot of domestic bashers out there that haven't owned or probably even driven a domestic in years and are still bashing them. Ford, especially, has made great strides in quality and is putting out some very nice vehicles with innovative equipment as of late.
 
However, I believe reputation stands for something and should enter into the equation of a car purchasing decision if other things appear equal.
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Re: [vanman1] by thegraduate
Jan 05, 2009 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: vanman1 (Jan 05, 2009 6:34 pm)

Probably why I see far more new Camrys than Accords on the road. Probably 5 to 1.
 
You must have selective vision or live in quite the car-sales black-hole for Honda. Honda's Accord has kept up with Camry just about neck and neck with sales for 2008.
 

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Re: [m6user] by bpizzuti
Jan 06, 2009 (3:30 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Jan 05, 2009 7:49 pm)

Unfortunately, there's reality, and then there's perception. And the reality is that people still perceive Toyota as better, and Honda (I don't get it with Toyota, I have never liked their cars. Honda I get it, the things feel like Swiss watches). People perceive Ford as "Found on Road Dead" despite their improvements, and these images are going to take a while to change. The trick is to get people to give them a shot so the perception CAN change (eventually, Toyota drivers will realize the same thing GM drivers did, that their cars are getting anonymous and cheap-feeling).
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Re: [bpizzuti] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 3:30 am)

And the reality is that people still perceive Toyota as better...
 
Not a whole lot of people perceive this, in my experience. Pretty much both Toyota and Honda are tops in perception, with different kinds of drivers preferring each, but both with very positive views. Now the car mags, that's another thing... Toyota generally gets knocked due to softer handling vs. Honda, but both are considered quality brands. This is very apparent if you look at Camry vs. Accord reviews. It's almost always "Camry is really smooth, but boring; Accord has all those buttons but is more a driver's car." With some exceptions, e.g. Camry taking the MT COTY a year or so ago.
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Reality or Perception? by bwia
Jan 06, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Well the December and annual sales data answers that question.
 
Model/Dec. 08/% ch from 07/YTD/% ch from YTD 07
Camry/25,275/-34.5%/436,617/-7.7%
Accord/22,338/-28.5%/372,789/-5.0%
Malibu/17,355/+48.5%/177,088/+51.5%
Altima/17,311/-31.2%/269,668/-5.3%
Fusion/10,274/-24.1/147,569/-1.3%
 
The Sonata did not make the top 20 and Malibu's are only one third of Camry.
Source: http://www.online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
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Re: Reality or Perception? [bwia] by backy
Jan 06, 2009 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Jan 06, 2009 6:28 am)

Malibu topping Altima and doing nearly 70% of Camry's sales volume in December is IMO a tremendous achievement for GM, given all the bad press about GM's future. Also the numbers show that the updated 2010 Fusion is coming just in time... or maybe dealers were running low on the 2009s?

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