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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11267 of 20187 Re: C/D on hybrid mid-sized sedans [mz6greyghost]
Jan 03, 2009 (1:42 pm)
The Prius really is not $10k less than the Fulan hybrid. The Fusion hybrid starts at $28k. The Prius starts around $23k. I don't know how the equipment levels of these base versions compare, but it's at best a $5k difference. Loaded, the Prius is pretty close to if not over $30k, while the C/D Fusion tester seemed pretty loaded for $32.5k.
We are forgetting one thing though comparing the Prius to the Fusion hybrid. The 2010 Prius is coming very shortly (will be unveiled officially in Detroit in a week or so). It should be an evolutionary improvement over the current Prius, and is expected to offer more power and also better fuel economy than the current Prius. As for interior room and handling improvements, we'll have to see about that. But I personally consider the Prius, and even the Insight, to be competitors to the likes of the Fusion and Camry hybrids. I don't need as much interior room as those sedans provide, I prefer a hatch configuration, and the 2010 Prius at least (don't know about the Insight) should easily exceed the FE for the hybrid mid-sized sedans--as it should as it's smaller, lighter, and lower-powered. I also like the swoopy looks of the 2010 Prius and Insight better than the mid-sized hybrid sedans. And the payback proposition is better with a lower-priced hybrid like the Prius or Insight. Especially for people like me who don't drive a lot, maybe 10k max per year for my wife's vehicle, which is what I am looking at a hybrid to be a few years out, once we are done with minivans.
Now, if gas stays around $2 a gallon and Ford et. al. are forced to offer discounts on the mid-sized hybrid sedans to move them, e.g. a base Fusion hybrid for the low $20s, then that could be compelling. But at $28k and up? I'd probably pass. Or maybe buy a 2010 Fusion hybrid in 2012 or 2013.
#11268 of 20187 Re: EPA certifies Fusion Hybrid [plekto]
Jan 03, 2009 (1:49 pm)
i interpreted your post to indicate a hybrid can be driven without gas.
this simply is not true, other than maybe a short distance.
obviously, a gas engine won't run without fuel. i think everyone already knows that.
#11269 of 20187 Re: C/D on hybrid mid-sized sedans [backy]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:00 pm)
considering not a whole lot of hybrid fusions are goining to be built for the forseeable future, i don't think there will be big discounts on them.
there aren't even any hybrid escapes for sale anywhere near me.
i prefer having a trunk for security reasons. the back of the prius is open, although a tonneau cover is available.
#11270 of 20187 Re: C/D on hybrid mid-sized sedans [explorerx4]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:10 pm)
Actually the cargo cover is standard on the Prius, always has been AFAIK.
Yes, that is one way to keep prices up, by limiting supply. There was a tongue-in-cheek comment in the C/D review about Chevy saying that the Malibu hybrid is "very limited availability." C/D remarked something to the effect of that won't be a problem as not many people will buy it.
#11271 of 20187 New Hyundai Assurance Buy-Back program
Jan 03, 2009 (2:16 pm)
Not to change the subject from the hybrid debate, but I saw this advertised today.
Hyundai Assurance program
What do you think? Will this help spur sales? Would this or maybe something similar from another manufacturer make a buying decision easier for you if you were on the fence? Just curious.
#11273 of 20187 Re: New Hyundai Assurance Buy-Back program [tenpin288]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:26 pm)
I think it might help in cases where people are worried about losing their jobs--which is likely quite a few potential car buyers. Regardless of how much it increases sales of Sonatas et. al., I applaud Hyundai for offering this program. To my knowledge, no other automaker has offered anything like it. I am wondering if any other automakers will respond with a similar program, as some did after Hyundai first offered their long warranty in 1999?
#11274 of 20187 Re: New Hyundai Assurance Buy-Back program [backy]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:37 pm)
I am wondering if any other automakers will respond with a similar program, as some did after Hyundai first offered their long warranty in 1999?
That's what I am curious about. If Hyundai were to see a significant sales bump from this in the next month or so compared to other manufacturers, will the others offer something like this? I would think that they would at least have to consider it.
Also, I wonder if this will have any effect on the dreaded new car depreciation. Any thoughts on that aspect?
#11275 of 20187 Re: New Hyundai Assurance Buy-Back program [tenpin288]
Jan 03, 2009 (3:30 pm)
I don't know about affecting depreciation, since the program only kicks in if the owner loses his/her income, and from what I've seen the program is not transferable to a 2nd owner.
#11276 of 20187 Re: C/D on hybrid mid-sized sedans [backy]
Jan 03, 2009 (3:37 pm)
unlike you, i checked the toyota website before posting.
it is part of packages 2 and up.