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Replying to: zzzoom6 (Dec 25, 2008 1:03 pm) The v6 accords MPG rating is 19/29 and the Mazda6 is 17/25, yet the mazda6 got 20 mpg overall and the accord got 18 mpg overall. I still believe the accord has a slight edge over the mazda6 and then being a long track record of reliability and resale value, otherwise, a dead heat. Always thought the Altima was over priced. Seems like nissan took a step backwards with the new altima. |
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 23, 2008 10:00 am)
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Replying to: 03accordman (Dec 29, 2008 7:38 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 30, 2008 6:55 am) 
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Dec 30, 2008 8:07 am) Not sure which tranny the 2010 Fusion Hybrid will use. But the issue was that Ford found similarities between their software and patents that Toyota held in that area so to avoid a potential lawsuit later they worked out an exchange of patent licenses (Ford got 20 or so and Toyota got some related to diesel truck engines). Many people incorrectly took this to mean that Ford simply bought Toyota's hybrid technology which is absolutely false - they developed it on their own. Nissan did apparently buy Toyota's hybrid technology. Totally different scenario.
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 30, 2008 6:55 am) I heard the Fusion availability will be pretty limited though. I guess lower gas prices have also killed off some hybrid demand. Too bad because Ford has something big here. |
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 30, 2008 11:46 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 30, 2008 2:18 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 30, 2008 3:12 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 30, 2008 4:51 pm) From wikipedia: The Escape Hybrid uses technology similar to that used in Toyota's Prius. Ford engineers realized their technology may conflict with patents held by Toyota, which led to a 2004 patent-sharing accord between the companies, licensing Ford's use of some of Toyota's hybrid technology in exchange for Toyota's use of some of Ford's diesel and direct-injection engine technology.[9] Both Ford and Toyota state that Ford received no technical assistance from Toyota in developing the hybrid powertrain, but that some hybrid engine technologies developed by Ford independently were found to be similar to technologies previously patented by Toyota. From Businessweek.com: Ford Motor Company was THE FIRST auto manufacturer in the world to put a full hybrid SUV on the road. The Ford Escape Hybrid (and now the Mercury Mariner Hybrid) was engineered, validated and is manufactured in the United States. There is NO Toyota technology or parts in our vehicle. We received NO technical support from Toyota when designing our hybrid system. We entered into a business arrangement with Toyota where we EXCHANGED patent licences. We licensed 21 patents from Toyota because our hybrid system design was close enough in design to what Toyota did that we wanted to ensure there were no accusations of infringement. At the same time, Toyota licensed several patents from Ford for emissions technology. This was a financial transaction — one which goes on in our industry every day. This is a common business practice in today's copyright-gone-mad litigious economy. Nothing underhanded there. 
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