- #11170 of 13294
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [kdshapiro]
by akirby
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Nov 07, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 07, 2008 7:26 am)
They work differently. TC uses the brakes individually to limit wheelspin and loss of traction. ESC uses the brakes individually to correct understeer/oversteer. If you go around a corner too fast and start to understeer, ESC will brake the rear inside wheel to pull the front end around back in line with the steering, but there is no loss of traction.
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- #11171 of 13294
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by newowner10
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Nov 07, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 06, 2008 8:03 pm)
I believe the missing information on the safety equipment's worth debate is how much does it add the the price of the car. Is it worth $100 most would say yes. Is it $2000 some would say yes some would say no. A helmet may be good for maximum safety. Bigger cars with poor gas mileage would be safer than a small car if the run into each other.
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- #11172 of 13294
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [newowner10]
by stephen987
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Nov 07, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: newowner10 (Nov 07, 2008 9:04 am)
Bigger cars with poor gas mileage would be safer than a small car if the run into each other.
But of course a smaller, lighter, more maneuverable car in the hands of an alert driver may be able to avoid that collision completely. . .
One reason for the popularity of the midsize cars to which this particular forum is devoted: they are an excellent compromise between these two extremes.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [m6user]
by explorerx4
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Nov 07, 2008 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Nov 06, 2008 4:01 pm)
that's basically, what i was trying to convey, although i guess not too clearly.
for some anyway. 
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Re: Lively safety info...offer more comparisons? [thegraduate]
by canddmeyer
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Nov 08, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 07, 2008 8:17 am)
The NHTSA has given the 2009 Mazda6 5-stars on all ratings, including the side-impact test. I do agree that IIHS testing results are different. The Accord proved safer in frontal impact load tests, although both the Mazda & Honda are 5-star rated. The 5-star Mazda6 proved safer in all side-impact tests, although interestingly, the numbers are very close to the 3-star rated Accord. Not sure why a 2-star deviance for such similar numbers.
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Re: Lively safety info...offer more comparisons? [canddmeyer]
by plekto
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Nov 09, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: canddmeyer (Nov 08, 2008 7:49 pm)
It probably has something to do with the seatbelt anchoring points or something similar(. Ie - something that the testers decided was worthy of a deduction. Like when they mark down a car because the foot well is pushed in a few inches more.
Realistically, both cars are very safe.
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2010 Fusion Revealed
by akirby
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Nov 19, 2008 (6:44 am)
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Pictures are too large to embed.
Interior:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/06_fusionsport2010.jpg
Exterior (Sport)
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/11/medium_3042372762_c3d- b79e048_o.jpg
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2010 Fusion Hybrid
by akirby
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Nov 19, 2008 (6:47 am)
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http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/10fusionhybridpress/1004693069?viewSize=thumb80- 0x800
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- #11179 of 13294
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Re: 2010 Fusion Revealed [akirby]
by stephen987
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Nov 19, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 19, 2008 6:44 am)
Love the interior! The nose is a little too much like the new Taurus for my taste, but that wouldn't keep me from buying the car.
Other things, not related to the quality of the car itself, might. . .
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