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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by akirby
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Nov 03, 2008 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 4:00 pm)
I was thinking of cars available now, vs. next year
The 2010 Fusion goes on sale in January. "Next year" is only 2 months away.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [akirby]
by backy
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 03, 2008 9:22 pm)
Last time I checked, January is "next year." 
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by thegraduate
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 04, 2008 8:21 am)
Oh dear... Let's just call it "in a few months." How's that? Haha
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by baggs32
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Nov 04, 2008 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 4:00 pm)
But good to hear that Ford/Mercury is getting on board with ESC after not even offering it on the Fusion and Milan during its their 3 model years,
I agree (although for competitive reasons only). However ESC is offered on the '09 Fusion as a $495 option. Not standard like the rest, or the 2010 Fusion, but still offered.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [baggs32]
by backy
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Nov 04, 2008 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Nov 04, 2008 9:56 am)
Yes, I actually had a typo in my original post and meant to say, "...after not offering it on the Fusion and Milan during its first 3 model years", i.e. 2006-8.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [waygrabow]
by explorerx4
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Nov 04, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Nov 03, 2008 8:03 pm)
i'm with your view ESC, good idea, nice to have, but probably won't come into play.
it does require active involvement of the driver. they have to be willing and able to make the avoidance moves.
awd is higher up my list than ESC.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [explorerx4]
by waygrabow
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Nov 04, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 04, 2008 3:17 pm)
We are agreed. All our vehicles are AWD; I have never driven without a seat belt engaged (and it saved my life); ABS is certainly nice to replace the "pumping the brakes" routine. Airbags have their pros and cons. Crush zones are a great engineering feature. Other safety features are present but go unnoticed. But I want to apologize for introducing politics into a car forum (election atmosphere). The sticking point for me was the federal mandate. But ESC is definitely valuable in certain situations and a feature on all our vehicles.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [waygrabow]
by robsis
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Nov 05, 2008 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Nov 04, 2008 7:47 pm)
As a retired accident reconstructionist, I can say, professionally, that the combination of ABS, ESC, and Traction control have absolutely made the roads a safer environment. Add a good AWD to that mix with electronic brake force reduction, and you have the safest vehicle on the road, knucklehead driving notwithstanding!
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [explorerx4]
by kdshapiro
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Nov 06, 2008 (4:05 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 04, 2008 3:17 pm)
That is not quite a correct statement. The purpose of ESC and all of the associated electronics is the keep the car going in the direction the steering wheel is pointed. It does that with a combination of engine control and individual ABS wheel control, something a driver cannot do, because a driver cannot modulate individual wheels.
If you are trucking down the highway and start to skid because you are hydroplaning ESC will kick in to help. Or if you are skidding on ice and snow ESC will kick in to help.
It has nothing to do with avoidance manuevers. It's sole purpose is to keep the car from slipping and sliding and to go where the front wheels are pointed, before you know you are about to skid.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [kdshapiro]
by akirby
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Nov 06, 2008 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 06, 2008 4:05 am)
It has nothing to do with avoidance manuevers. It's sole purpose is to keep the car from slipping and sliding and to go where the front wheels are pointed, before you know you are about to skid.
It has everything to do with avoidance manuevers. ESC counteracts understeer and oversteer (in Nascar terms understeer is when the front of the car hits the wall and oversteer is when the back of the car hits the wall). When you make an emergency avoidance maneuver (lane change) ESC keeps the vehicle under control and prevents it from spinning out. Just look at all the ESC demonstrations and this should be obvious.
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