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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [baggs32]
by backy
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Nov 03, 2008 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Nov 03, 2008 9:40 am)
I was thinking of cars available now, vs. next year. But good to hear that Ford/Mercury is getting on board with ESC after not even offering it on the Fusion and Milan during its their 3 model years, or the pre-2009 Mazda6 I4 for that matter.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by explorerx4
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Nov 03, 2008 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 4:00 pm)
i know esc is goverment mandated at some point, but some cars need it more that others. 
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [explorerx4]
by backy
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Nov 03, 2008 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 03, 2008 5:42 pm)
Yes, I agree... cars with people who drive them need it especially.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by waygrabow
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Nov 03, 2008 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 7:21 pm)
I agree that Electronic Stability Control could be extremely helpful in certain situations; the question is how often such a situation occurs. I have been a licensed driver for 46 years, including living in Europe for 5 years, had two accidents in which the vehicles were totaled, and yet I can think of no incident in which ESC would have helped me. My conclusion is to question why such a seldom-needed feature should become a federal mandate? Wonderful that it is an option (present on all our vehicles), but I am tired of the federal government treating us like stupid children when they can't even do their job in Washington.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [waygrabow]
by backy
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Nov 03, 2008 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: waygrabow (Nov 03, 2008 8:03 pm)
I have been driving for over 35 years and I haven't been in a situation in which an air bag would have deployed. But I am very glad all my cars have them now. Three of my four cars have ABS, and I can count on one hand how many times it has activated while I was driving even in Minnesota winters--yet I am very glad for the feature. I just bought a car with ESC. I have yet to activate it and I doubt I ever will. But again I am glad my car has that feature, and every car I buy from now on will have it. Why? Two reasons:
1) I have no way of predicting what may happen in the future, and what kind of crazy/stupid/ill drivers I may find myself sharing the road with.
2) I know that people make mistakes, so I feel better knowing that these kinds of safety features are in the cars my family drives. My oldest son made a mistake while driving a couple of years ago, and was in an accident in which the airbags deployed. He walked away with a little scratch on his arm. Next time, it could be a feature like ABS or ESC that saves one of my loved ones, or perhaps someone they are sharing the road with, from serious injury. That is good enough for me.
On most cars with ESC, you can turn it off. Go ahead, push that button, and then maybe say a prayer that one of those "certain situations" doesn't happen to you.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by akirby
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Nov 03, 2008 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 4:00 pm)
I was thinking of cars available now, vs. next year
The 2010 Fusion goes on sale in January. "Next year" is only 2 months away.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [akirby]
by backy
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 03, 2008 9:22 pm)
Last time I checked, January is "next year."
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by thegraduate
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Nov 04, 2008 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 04, 2008 8:21 am)
Oh dear... Let's just call it "in a few months." How's that? Haha
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [backy]
by baggs32
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Nov 04, 2008 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 03, 2008 4:00 pm)
But good to hear that Ford/Mercury is getting on board with ESC after not even offering it on the Fusion and Milan during its their 3 model years,
I agree (although for competitive reasons only). However ESC is offered on the '09 Fusion as a $495 option. Not standard like the rest, or the 2010 Fusion, but still offered.
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Re: 2009 Optima gets with the (ES)program [baggs32]
by backy
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Nov 04, 2008 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Nov 04, 2008 9:56 am)
Yes, I actually had a typo in my original post and meant to say, "...after not offering it on the Fusion and Milan during its first 3 model years", i.e. 2006-8.
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