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Re: Guys... [pat]
by thegraduate
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Oct 30, 2008 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Oct 30, 2008 12:49 pm)
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- #11103 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [stephen987]
by backy
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Oct 30, 2008 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 30, 2008 10:42 am)
Call me crazy, but I think it's pretty likely that the Fusion hybrid, with its hybrid tweaks, but with its fully-independent suspension and Mazda6-based chassis, will have superior ride and handling to that of the Prius with its Echo-inspired suspension.
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- #11104 of 13269
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Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97]
by vanman1
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Oct 30, 2008 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 6:45 am)
I took a Fusion for a drive when I was looking for a sedan last month, I liked it. Problem for me is they had no more 2008 V6 models left other than a demo that was sold. The price was certainly right but in the end I ended up with a V6 Malibu LT as I liked it a bit more even thought it cost more. The Caddy engine was worth it and there were still cars available.
I'd recommend a Fusion though, for the money it's a great sedan.
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- #11105 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy]
by stephen987
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Oct 30, 2008 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 2:57 pm)
Does anyone out there know if Ford is using a version of Toyota's hybrid powertrain management software etc? I believe the Altima Hybrid does.
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- #11106 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [stephen987]
by backy
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Oct 30, 2008 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 30, 2008 4:24 pm)
Ford developed its own hybrid system. However, Ford licensed Toyota hybrid patents after its engineers realized that the system Ford had developed had features similar to ones patented by Toyota.
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- #11107 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy]
by akirby
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Oct 30, 2008 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 5:36 pm)
It's important to note that Ford did not pay Toyota for any patent rights for the hybrid technology - instead the 2 companies swapped patents. Ford developed their own technology but found it was so similar to what Toyota had already patented they wanted to avoid a potential future lawsuit, and Toyota needed something that Ford had already figured out. Ford is not using Toyota's hybrid system like Nissan.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
by elroy5
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Oct 30, 2008 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm)
It's important to note that Ford did not pay Toyota for any patent rights for the hybrid technology - instead the 2 companies swapped patents.
Sounds like Ford had to pay Toyota off, because they copied their work.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
by aqua33v6
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Oct 30, 2008 (10:39 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm)
I don't know of any specific history between Ford and Toyota sharing hybrid technology, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had. For example, companies can make supplemental improvements to existing patents, and then turn around and patent those improvements. Possibly the case? Again, I haven't kept up on that sort-O-stuff.
Whether that be the case, or not, we could speculate such a thing.
(just as easily as we could speculate: "Sounds like this company paid-off that company," etc)
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- #11110 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [aqua33v6]
by akirby
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Oct 31, 2008 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: aqua33v6 (Oct 30, 2008 10:39 pm)
Both companies were quite clear about this. Ford developed their own hybrid technology but found their design was close enough to what Toyota had patented that there was a possibility that Toyota could sue them, so they worked out a swap of patents to avoid that. Happens all the time. In fact Ford only licensed 20 of Toyota's 350 hybrid patents. In exchange they licensed some diesel and direct injection patents to Toyota.
Can we please stop spreading lies?
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- #11111 of 13269
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
by backy
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Oct 31, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm)
It's important to note that Ford did not pay Toyota for any patent rights for the hybrid technology - instead the 2 companies swapped patents.
Bartering is a form of payment. Ford paid for licensing Toyota's hybrid patents by exchanging patents of their own. I really don't see why it matters whether Ford paid cash for the licenses, or paid with a swap of patents.
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