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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11100 of 20187 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [dm1212]
Oct 30, 2008 (12:29 pm)
You just ruinned your argument about the Fusion and Mazda 6. Like the Fusion and Mazda 6, The Routan and Town and Country share the same chassis.
The Caravan and Routan share a whole hell of a lot more then the Fusion and Mazda6. With the arrival of the 2010 Fusion and 2009 Mazda6, they are more like 3rd cousins twice removed....
Here is where the Routan / Caravan are similar and the Fusion and Mazda6 are not.
Routan / Caravan are built on the same production line at Windsor Assembly in Windsor, Ontario. Engines available are two V6 engines from Chrysler's powertrain stable: the 3.8 L V6 producing 197 hp and 230 lb·ft, and the 4.0 L V6 producing 251 hp and 259 lb·ft. Both engines are teamed to Chrysler's 62TE six-speed automatic transaxle with manual shift capability. The body design is similar overall to the Chrysler vans, though Volkswagen designers gave the Routan a unique front- and rear-end appearance to differentiate the van from its Chrysler siblings and bring it in to the Volkswagen family. The interior is all VW as well.
Mazda6 is built at AAI in Flat Rock, MI and the Fusion is built in Mexico. They have never shared any body panels, transmissions, suspension, or ECU's. The only sharing that went on was the basic platform (which really does not mean much) and engine design. The Ford 2.3 and new 2.5 are Mazda designs, and the old 3.0L was a Ford, and the new 3.7L uses the Ford block design only. All internals, VV-T, heads, cams, ECU are all Mazda designed and built in Japan.
#11101 of 20187 Guys...
Oct 30, 2008 (12:49 pm)
Let's try to stick to the vehicles that belong in this topic. And let's review akirby's recent excellent advice, also.
Oct 30, 2008 (2:00 pm)
#11103 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [stephen987]
Oct 30, 2008 (2:57 pm)
Call me crazy, but I think it's pretty likely that the Fusion hybrid, with its hybrid tweaks, but with its fully-independent suspension and Mazda6-based chassis, will have superior ride and handling to that of the Prius with its Echo-inspired suspension.
#11104 of 20187 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97]
Oct 30, 2008 (4:04 pm)
I took a Fusion for a drive when I was looking for a sedan last month, I liked it. Problem for me is they had no more 2008 V6 models left other than a demo that was sold. The price was certainly right but in the end I ended up with a V6 Malibu LT as I liked it a bit more even thought it cost more. The Caddy engine was worth it and there were still cars available.
I'd recommend a Fusion though, for the money it's a great sedan.
#11105 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy]
Oct 30, 2008 (4:24 pm)
Does anyone out there know if Ford is using a version of Toyota's hybrid powertrain management software etc? I believe the Altima Hybrid does.
#11106 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [stephen987]
Oct 30, 2008 (5:36 pm)
Ford developed its own hybrid system. However, Ford licensed Toyota hybrid patents after its engineers realized that the system Ford had developed had features similar to ones patented by Toyota.
#11107 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy]
Oct 30, 2008 (7:19 pm)
It's important to note that Ford did not pay Toyota for any patent rights for the hybrid technology - instead the 2 companies swapped patents. Ford developed their own technology but found it was so similar to what Toyota had already patented they wanted to avoid a potential future lawsuit, and Toyota needed something that Ford had already figured out. Ford is not using Toyota's hybrid system like Nissan.
#11108 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
Oct 30, 2008 (7:33 pm)
It's important to note that Ford did not pay Toyota for any patent rights for the hybrid technology - instead the 2 companies swapped patents.
Sounds like Ford had to pay Toyota off, because they copied their work.
#11109 of 20187 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
Oct 30, 2008 (10:39 pm)
I don't know of any specific history between Ford and Toyota sharing hybrid technology, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had. For example, companies can make supplemental improvements to existing patents, and then turn around and patent those improvements. Possibly the case? Again, I haven't kept up on that sort-O-stuff.
Whether that be the case, or not, we could speculate such a thing.
(just as easily as we could speculate: "Sounds like this company paid-off that company," etc)