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#11095 of 13142 2010 Milan Fully revealed by aviboy97 Oct 30, 2008 (10:25 am)
Here she is boys....   http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercury-milan-hybrid.html   Why is Ford so dumb to ride around with no camo and still want to wait till mid November to show us what it looks like....
#11096 of 13142 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy] by stephen987 Oct 30, 2008 (10:42 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 9:00 am) If you've driven the Prius, and the Fusion (or Milan), you know they drive nothing like the Prius.   That's true. But "hybridizing" a vehicle fundamentally alters many of its driving characteristics:   Regenerative braking systems have a very different feel from conventional systems. Hybrids carry more weight, and in different places. This affects handling, usually negatively. Accessories such as power steering are more likely to be electrically driven in a hybrid, and the feel can be very different from hydraulic power steering. Of course, the severity of the difference varies, and many non-hybrids are now using electric power steering too, but it may still be a factor in the driving experience.   Based on these characteristics, I would be reluctant to assume that the Fusion Hybrid will automatically share the positive characteristics I associate with the conventionally-powered Fusion. Replies to this message: backy (Oct 30, 2008 2:57 pm) stephen987 (Oct 30, 2008 4:24 pm) backy (Oct 30, 2008 5:36 pm) and 18 more...
#11097 of 13142 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy] by akirby Oct 30, 2008 (10:44 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 10:11 am) I was replying to someone else's post that compared the Fusion to the Prius.   So was I. I just happened to click reply on your post instead of going back.
#11098 of 13142 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [mz6greyghost] by dm1212 Oct 30, 2008 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 30, 2008 4:08 am) Your point? My '04 Mazda6 has 72K miles with just about every option, and I've had ONE issue, a faulty gas cap, replaced under warranty. And handling IMO is just as good, since they're both FWD, while saving $$$$ with both the purchase and service/parts.   The A6 is AWD, if thats what your talking about. Its almost IMPOSSIBLE to find an A6 in FWD, because with the FWD option you can't have the premimum package. The FWD Fusion is a rarity to find now considering Ford actually made an AWD option.   ONLY 135K MILES, less than half the mileage that a quality-built diesel should last.   Hmm, your telling me a Ford Excursion would last 135k miles? Not a chance in the world.   VW and "reliable" don't belong in the same sentence. And I'm FAR from the only person that thinks this, since pretty much EVERY quality/reliability survey has rated VW at or near the bottom over the past 15 years, with good reason. And for the record, Audi wasn't doing very well for a long time either, until the past couple of years...   Show me where Ford was about two-three years ago, 20 bucks says they are below VW.   Umm, it had better, since the A6 is $25K OR MORE than any other car listed on the right. And yes, the VW Caravan/Town & Country is pretty nice, FOR A CHRYSLER!!   You just ruinned your argument about the Fusion and Mazda 6. Like the Fusion and Mazda 6, The Routan and Town and Country share the same chassis.   "German engineering"? You're obviously still young into your German relationship. As for the Passat, they do look great, and use good-quality materials for the interior, but they're too expensive for this class. Plus, have you ever paid for replacement parts or service for a VW? Umm, not cheap, at all.   Yes, I have. I bought my daughter a 2007 Jetta Wulfsberg Edition, and she wrecked it. A new fender was only $300.00.   My point is Ford is junk, they are in such desperate ways they had to make a Focus "Coupe" to try and boost their sales. IMO, it looks like a Porta-Potty on Wheels. Replies to this message: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 12:22 pm) aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 12:29 pm)
#11099 of 13142 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [dm1212] by akirby Oct 30, 2008 (12:22 pm)
Replying to: dm1212 (Oct 30, 2008 12:06 pm) I don't think this is even worth a reply. Please don't feed the you-know-what.
#11100 of 13142 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [dm1212] by aviboy97 Oct 30, 2008 (12:29 pm)
Replying to: dm1212 (Oct 30, 2008 12:06 pm) You just ruinned your argument about the Fusion and Mazda 6. Like the Fusion and Mazda 6, The Routan and Town and Country share the same chassis.   The Caravan and Routan share a whole hell of a lot more then the Fusion and Mazda6. With the arrival of the 2010 Fusion and 2009 Mazda6, they are more like 3rd cousins twice removed....   Here is where the Routan / Caravan are similar and the Fusion and Mazda6 are not.   Routan / Caravan are built on the same production line at Windsor Assembly in Windsor, Ontario. Engines available are two V6 engines from Chrysler's powertrain stable: the 3.8 L V6 producing 197 hp and 230 lb·ft, and the 4.0 L V6 producing 251 hp and 259 lb·ft. Both engines are teamed to Chrysler's 62TE six-speed automatic transaxle with manual shift capability. The body design is similar overall to the Chrysler vans, though Volkswagen designers gave the Routan a unique front- and rear-end appearance to differentiate the van from its Chrysler siblings and bring it in to the Volkswagen family. The interior is all VW as well.   Mazda6 is built at AAI in Flat Rock, MI and the Fusion is built in Mexico. They have never shared any body panels, transmissions, suspension, or ECU's. The only sharing that went on was the basic platform (which really does not mean much) and engine design. The Ford 2.3 and new 2.5 are Mazda designs, and the old 3.0L was a Ford, and the new 3.7L uses the Ford block design only. All internals, VV-T, heads, cams, ECU are all Mazda designed and built in Japan.
#11101 of 13142 Guys... by pat HOST Oct 30, 2008 (12:49 pm)
Let's try to stick to the vehicles that belong in this topic. And let's review akirby's recent excellent advice, also. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Oct 30, 2008 2:00 pm)
#11102 of 13142 Re: Guys... [pat] by thegraduate Oct 30, 2008 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: pat (Oct 30, 2008 12:49 pm)
#11103 of 13142 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [stephen987] by backy Oct 30, 2008 (2:57 pm)
Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 30, 2008 10:42 am) Call me crazy, but I think it's pretty likely that the Fusion hybrid, with its hybrid tweaks, but with its fully-independent suspension and Mazda6-based chassis, will have superior ride and handling to that of the Prius with its Echo-inspired suspension. Replies to this message: stephen987 (Oct 30, 2008 4:24 pm) backy (Oct 30, 2008 5:36 pm) akirby (Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm) and 17 more...
#11104 of 13142 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97] by vanman1 Oct 30, 2008 (4:04 pm)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 6:45 am) I took a Fusion for a drive when I was looking for a sedan last month, I liked it. Problem for me is they had no more 2008 V6 models left other than a demo that was sold. The price was certainly right but in the end I ended up with a V6 Malibu LT as I liked it a bit more even thought it cost more. The Caddy engine was worth it and there were still cars available.   I'd recommend a Fusion though, for the money it's a great sedan.

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