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Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [akirby] by aviboy97
Oct 30, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 6:58 am)

I'm really curious about the interior too. I was not a big fan of the Fusion interior to begin with.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97] by akirby
Oct 30, 2008 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 7:04 am)

The gauge cluster is new and has a 3 ring design to it. The center stack is no longer flat and it has the new Ford radio and hvac controls similar to the Flex with a straight shifter instead of the "T" handle. Definitely better but not totally new. Then again this is a 3 year MCE, not an entirely new vehicle. The change in the MKZ dash, OTOH, is basically a clean sheet redesign matching the MKS design which is a HUGE improvement.
 
The current Fusion interior isn't bad with the piano black trim. The other trims are rather pedestrian, but functional. The new center stack and gauges should help a lot.
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Re: Fusion hybrid Smartgauge demo [akirby] by baggs32
Oct 30, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 6:16 am)

So it appears, all you naysayers pay attention now, that the leaves can be changed to a more traditional graph if you don't like them. I personally thought the leaves were cheesy and now I'm officially on-board with this new gauge cluster. I'd like to see it in non-hybrids too though. Minus the hybrid battery stuff. IIRC Ford did say they were going to put efficiency meters in their ICE vehicles soon too. Anyone know if this is what they were talking about? Or at least some version of it?
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [kdshapiro] by backy
Oct 30, 2008 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 30, 2008 6:40 am)

If you've driven the Prius, and the Fusion (or Milan), you know they drive nothing like the Prius. They also probably won't top the Prius' FE (especially that of the new-for-2010 Prius), but they have big advantages ride/handling wise.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy] by akirby
Oct 30, 2008 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 9:00 am)

Toyota makes 2 hybrid sedans - Prius and Camry. The Fusion hybrid competes with the Camry, not the Prius.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby] by backy
Oct 30, 2008 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 9:12 am)

I am well aware of that, thanks (although the Prius is a hatchback, not a sedan). I was replying to someone else's post that compared the Fusion to the Prius.
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2010 Milan Fully revealed by aviboy97
Oct 30, 2008 (10:25 am)
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Here she is boys....
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercury-milan-hybrid.html
 
Why is Ford so dumb to ride around with no camo and still want to wait till mid November to show us what it looks like....
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Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy] by stephen987
Oct 30, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 9:00 am)

If you've driven the Prius, and the Fusion (or Milan), you know they drive nothing like the Prius.
 
That's true. But "hybridizing" a vehicle fundamentally alters many of its driving characteristics:
 
  • Regenerative braking systems have a very different feel from conventional systems.
  • Hybrids carry more weight, and in different places. This affects handling, usually negatively.
  • Accessories such as power steering are more likely to be electrically driven in a hybrid, and the feel can be very different from hydraulic power steering. Of course, the severity of the difference varies, and many non-hybrids are now using electric power steering too, but it may still be a factor in the driving experience.

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    Based on these characteristics, I would be reluctant to assume that the Fusion Hybrid will automatically share the positive characteristics I associate with the conventionally-powered Fusion.
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    Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [backy] by akirby
    Oct 30, 2008 (10:44 am)
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    Replying to: backy (Oct 30, 2008 10:11 am)

    I was replying to someone else's post that compared the Fusion to the Prius.
     
    So was I. I just happened to click reply on your post instead of going back.
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    Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [mz6greyghost] by dm1212
    Oct 30, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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    Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 30, 2008 4:08 am)

    Your point? My '04 Mazda6 has 72K miles with just about every option, and I've had ONE issue, a faulty gas cap, replaced under warranty. And handling IMO is just as good, since they're both FWD, while saving $$$$ with both the purchase and service/parts.
     
    The A6 is AWD, if thats what your talking about. Its almost IMPOSSIBLE to find an A6 in FWD, because with the FWD option you can't have the premimum package. The FWD Fusion is a rarity to find now considering Ford actually made an AWD option.
     
    ONLY 135K MILES, less than half the mileage that a quality-built diesel should last.
     
    Hmm, your telling me a Ford Excursion would last 135k miles? Not a chance in the world.
     
    VW and "reliable" don't belong in the same sentence. And I'm FAR from the only person that thinks this, since pretty much EVERY quality/reliability survey has rated VW at or near the bottom over the past 15 years, with good reason. And for the record, Audi wasn't doing very well for a long time either, until the past couple of years...
     
    Show me where Ford was about two-three years ago, 20 bucks says they are below VW.
     
    Umm, it had better, since the A6 is $25K OR MORE than any other car listed on the right. And yes, the VW Caravan/Town & Country is pretty nice, FOR A CHRYSLER!!
     
    You just ruinned your argument about the Fusion and Mazda 6. Like the Fusion and Mazda 6, The Routan and Town and Country share the same chassis.
     
    "German engineering"? You're obviously still young into your German relationship. As for the Passat, they do look great, and use good-quality materials for the interior, but they're too expensive for this class. Plus, have you ever paid for replacement parts or service for a VW? Umm, not cheap, at all.
     
    Yes, I have. I bought my daughter a 2007 Jetta Wulfsberg Edition, and she wrecked it. A new fender was only $300.00.
     
    My point is Ford is junk, they are in such desperate ways they had to make a Focus "Coupe" to try and boost their sales. IMO, it looks like a Porta-Potty on Wheels.

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