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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11082 of 18160 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [aviboy97]
Oct 30, 2008 (5:08 am)
greyghost, where are ya?
*Rushes in to sit down* Sorry I'm late!
Let's see, where to start...
The Mazda6 "loose and cheap"? Right... The Mazda6 is THE best handling midsize sedan in this price range, period. I've driven the Accord, Altima, and the Passat, and they don't even come close to what the 1st-gen 6 was capable of. That's why I bought one.
Yes, the Fulan and the 6 share platforms, that's it. The Fusion does handle well, but it's still entirely different from a 6.
It seems that dm1212 has had a bad taste left by Ford, but pretty much everybody else on this board, as well as just about every other auto enthusiast and critic, thinks differently. And dm, a word of advice: I wouldn't even THINK about bashing anyone else about their information, since aviboy97 actually works in the automotive business, and there are plenty of others that have been here longer than you, will still be here after you're gone, and have ACTUALLY done their homework, including actual test-drives. Believe me, they know what they're talking about.
I'm talking about the 2008 models..
Doesn't change a thing.
Why would you buy any of them? Why wouldn't you buy a Passat with 4 years/50,000 mile warranty, and German engineering. I would never own a non-german made car.
"German engineering"? You're obviously still young into your German relationship. As for the Passat, they do look great, and use good-quality materials for the interior, but they're too expensive for this class. Plus, have you ever paid for replacement parts or service for a VW? Umm, not cheap, at all.
All VW's currently made are good looking, even their new minivan. The passat is a great looking, sporty, and semi-reliable sedan. The interior on a loaded Passat is nicer then the base 528i. I drive a 2005 Audi A6, and no auto-maker comes close to the quality of the interior of an Audi.
Umm, it had better, since the A6 is $25K OR MORE than any other car listed on the right. And yes, the VW Caravan/Town & Country is pretty nice, FOR A CHRYSLER!!
51k on my car, no problems besides the sun-roof and rear cup-holders. Handling is superb, especially in snow,
Your point? My '04 Mazda6 has 72K miles with just about every option, and I've had ONE issue, a faulty gas cap, replaced under warranty. And handling IMO is just as good, since they're both FWD, while saving $$$$ with both the purchase and service/parts.
And just as you've been bitten by Ford, I've been bitten by VW. Take the 1999 and 2000 Golfs that I used to drive for my part-time job, both diesels. Both worked well for the first 50-60K miles, then things went south. The '99 had a ton of electrical issues, with lights blowing out, gauges and lights working/not working, problems with the anti-theft, a radio that ate cassettes, etc. To boot, the diesel engine, supposedly "indestructible", went through 3 turbos, two sets of seals, and three starters. It was finally junked after the second transmission went, at ONLY 135K MILES, less than half the mileage that a quality-built diesel should last. The '00? Not much different. Electrical system failures constantly, two transmissions, two turbos, etc. When it was totaled with 115K miles on it, my boss got much more than it was worth, since it had a fuel system issue that would've cost $5K to repair.
VW and "reliable" don't belong in the same sentence. And I'm FAR from the only person that thinks this, since pretty much EVERY quality/reliability survey has rated VW at or near the bottom over the past 15 years, with good reason. And for the record, Audi wasn't doing very well for a long time either, until the past couple of years...
Again, dm, if you hate Ford, fine. But don't throw "facts" around when just about everything else I've read, seen, and experience first-hand says otherwise.
#11083 of 18160 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [mz6greyghost]
Oct 30, 2008 (6:03 am)
#11086 of 18160 Re: Fusion Hybrid Fuel Economy [akirby]
Oct 30, 2008 (7:40 am)
It would be impressive as long as it doesn't drive like a Prius.
#11087 of 18160 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [jeffyscott]
Oct 30, 2008 (7:45 am)
I have to say, I'm very impressed with Ford lately. Not only are they climbing up the reliability charts, but their recent products from the last 2 years have been built better too. The Ford Flex and Taurus have a remarkable interior. Really top notch. I don't necessarily like the design, of any Ford for that matter, but, it seems as if they are learning how to build a better car.
The more and more I look at the new Fusion, the more and more I'm starting NOT to like it. From the press release, it seems as if they are actually proactive in advancing their technology, something they did not do for years. From what I see, I'm going out on a limb here, I will say that it's only a matter of time before Ford turns it's self around.
#11088 of 18160 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97]
Oct 30, 2008 (7:58 am)
Exactly. When was the last time Ford was a leader in fuel economy? The only thing holding them back right now is limited resources made worse by the poor economy - and terrible past management decisions.
The spy shots of the new Fusion look a lot better than that press photo, so hold that judgement for 3 weeks until we get better photos. I think it's a big improvement over the current design.
#11089 of 18160 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [akirby]
Oct 30, 2008 (8:04 am)
I'm really curious about the interior too. I was not a big fan of the Fusion interior to begin with.
#11090 of 18160 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97]
Oct 30, 2008 (9:17 am)
The gauge cluster is new and has a 3 ring design to it. The center stack is no longer flat and it has the new Ford radio and hvac controls similar to the Flex with a straight shifter instead of the "T" handle. Definitely better but not totally new. Then again this is a 3 year MCE, not an entirely new vehicle. The change in the MKZ dash, OTOH, is basically a clean sheet redesign matching the MKS design which is a HUGE improvement.
The current Fusion interior isn't bad with the piano black trim. The other trims are rather pedestrian, but functional. The new center stack and gauges should help a lot.
#11091 of 18160 Re: Fusion hybrid Smartgauge demo [akirby]
Oct 30, 2008 (9:32 am)
So it appears, all you naysayers pay attention now, that the leaves can be changed to a more traditional graph if you don't like them. I personally thought the leaves were cheesy and now I'm officially on-board with this new gauge cluster. I'd like to see it in non-hybrids too though. Minus the hybrid battery stuff. IIRC Ford did say they were going to put efficiency meters in their ICE vehicles soon too. Anyone know if this is what they were talking about? Or at least some version of it?