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Replying to: akirby (Oct 29, 2008 12:12 pm) I preferred the old Milan's styling to the old Fusion, and I still prefer the new Milan over the new Fusion except now I don't really like either one of them too much. Which is too bad because I really like the idea of a mid-sized sedan that gets 40 mpg highway. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 29, 2008 3:43 pm) I don't know if they are identical or not either, but in the case of the old 2.3, the mpg rating was essentially the same in the Mazda6 and Ford Fusion. The Ford press release did ascribe "up to a 10 percent fuel economy improvement" to the new 6 speed trans.
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Replying to: dm1212 (Oct 29, 2008 1:34 pm) Because not everyone shares the same opinion as you. While you may like the Passat, others differ. The Passat is pretty good, but I'd imagine the price range is WAY out there for many of the midsize demographic. For the price of a nicely equipped Passat, you could step into something like an Infiniti G35, or a Hyundai Genesis. Your selling points are the warranty and "German engineering". Having a longer warranty doesn't make the car any better, especially considering VW has always been on the tail-end of the quality/reliability ratings. And, "German engineering" is over-rated 
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 29, 2008 8:13 pm) Well, because the new Passat looks like a German Toyota Corolla (where the old one was quite handsome). Because a longer warranty on a less reliable car is only valuable if you are getting rid of the less reliable car before the warranty runs out. And yes, I've owned Mazdas, VWs, and Audis. |
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| I think VW no longer has 4 yr/50 K mi warranty, anyway. I believe they went to 3/36 and, instead, now include free maintenance during the new warranty period. | |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 29, 2008 1:36 pm) *Rushes in to sit down* Sorry I'm late!  Let's see, where to start... The Mazda6 "loose and cheap"? Right... The Mazda6 is THE best handling midsize sedan in this price range, period. I've driven the Accord, Altima, and the Passat, and they don't even come close to what the 1st-gen 6 was capable of. That's why I bought one. Yes, the Fulan and the 6 share platforms, that's it. The Fusion does handle well, but it's still entirely different from a 6. It seems that dm1212 has had a bad taste left by Ford, but pretty much everybody else on this board, as well as just about every other auto enthusiast and critic, thinks differently. And dm, a word of advice: I wouldn't even THINK about bashing anyone else about their information, since aviboy97 actually works in the automotive business, and there are plenty of others that have been here longer than you, will still be here after you're gone, and have ACTUALLY done their homework, including actual test-drives. Believe me, they know what they're talking about. I'm talking about the 2008 models.. Doesn't change a thing. Why would you buy any of them? Why wouldn't you buy a Passat with 4 years/50,000 mile warranty, and German engineering. I would never own a non-german made car. "German engineering"? You're obviously still young into your German relationship. As for the Passat, they do look great, and use good-quality materials for the interior, but they're too expensive for this class. Plus, have you ever paid for replacement parts or service for a VW? Umm, not cheap, at all. All VW's currently made are good looking, even their new minivan. The passat is a great looking, sporty, and semi-reliable sedan. The interior on a loaded Passat is nicer then the base 528i. I drive a 2005 Audi A6, and no auto-maker comes close to the quality of the interior of an Audi. Umm, it had better, since the A6 is $25K OR MORE than any other car listed on the right. And yes, the VW Caravan/Town & Country is pretty nice, FOR A CHRYSLER!! 51k on my car, no problems besides the sun-roof and rear cup-holders. Handling is superb, especially in snow, Your point? My '04 Mazda6 has 72K miles with just about every option, and I've had ONE issue, a faulty gas cap, replaced under warranty. And handling IMO is just as good, since they're both FWD, while saving $$$$ with both the purchase and service/parts. And just as you've been bitten by Ford, I've been bitten by VW. Take the 1999 and 2000 Golfs that I used to drive for my part-time job, both diesels. Both worked well for the first 50-60K miles, then things went south. The '99 had a ton of electrical issues, with lights blowing out, gauges and lights working/not working, problems with the anti-theft, a radio that ate cassettes, etc. To boot, the diesel engine, supposedly "indestructible", went through 3 turbos, two sets of seals, and three starters. It was finally junked after the second transmission went, at ONLY 135K MILES, less than half the mileage that a quality-built diesel should last. The '00? Not much different. Electrical system failures constantly, two transmissions, two turbos, etc. When it was totaled with 115K miles on it, my boss got much more than it was worth, since it had a fuel system issue that would've cost $5K to repair. VW and "reliable" don't belong in the same sentence. And I'm FAR from the only person that thinks this, since pretty much EVERY quality/reliability survey has rated VW at or near the bottom over the past 15 years, with good reason. And for the record, Audi wasn't doing very well for a long time either, until the past couple of years... Again, dm, if you hate Ford, fine. But don't throw "facts" around when just about everything else I've read, seen, and experience first-hand says otherwise. |
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 30, 2008 4:08 am) |
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Ford says the hybrid Fusion will get at least 38 mpg in the city, compared with 33 mpg for the Camry. The Fusion will be able to cruise at 47 mph on electric-only power. Wow. Now that's impressive. This is not your grandfather's Ford. http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081030/OPINION03/8103003- 58/1148/AUTO01
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Can't see it at work but everyone says it looks great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1W3Sda4v0
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 30, 2008 5:54 am)
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