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#11071 of 13141 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [jeffyscott] by dm1212 Oct 29, 2008 (2:42 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Oct 29, 2008 2:21 pm) I agree with you. The milan is an ugly car. The fusion doesn't look half bad though, I would want to see a 300hp V8 instead of the wimpy 263 hp 3.5... I wouldn't buy a car because it gets 3 more miles to the gallon. Gas prices are falling and I could careless if I safe 100 bucks a year in gas. I would like to see more hybrid SUV's coming.
#11072 of 13141 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [jeffyscott] by aviboy97 Oct 29, 2008 (3:43 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Oct 29, 2008 2:21 pm) 33 mpg highway would be 5 mpg above the rating for the 2.3 and 3 mpg better than the new Mazda6 with the same 2.5 engine   I'm wondering if they really are the exact same engine. I did read that Ford uses a VVT system called "intake variable cam timing". I wonder if this is any different from Mazda's Variable Valve Timing. Maybe just in name? I have no idea. However, some of the press release stated exactly what Mazda did in their press release, by talking about newer intake and exhaust manifolds.   If they are indeed identical, then the Fusion must have a really really low revving 6th gear. 2,000-2,200 rpm's at 70mph? Replies to this message: akirby (Oct 29, 2008 5:15 pm) jeffyscott (Oct 29, 2008 7:16 pm) aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 6:45 am) akirby (Oct 30, 2008 6:58 am) and 2 more... vanman1 (Oct 30, 2008 4:04 pm)
#11073 of 13141 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97] by akirby Oct 29, 2008 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 29, 2008 3:43 pm) Further proof that mazda and ford only share engineering and basic components and do not clone each other's vehicles or engines.
#11074 of 13141 This forum... by thegraduate Oct 29, 2008 (6:21 pm)
Where am I going, and what am I doing in this handbasket?
#11075 of 13141 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [dm1212] by waygrabow Oct 29, 2008 (6:32 pm)
Replying to: dm1212 (Oct 29, 2008 1:23 pm) If you want to be highly opinionated and badmouth other cars, at least try to be factually accurate. People will accept your comments better. I am currently driving an Audi; it has been great for the last five years we've had it, but I know that other great cars are out there too. I drove a MazdaSpeed6 for two years and enjoyed it just as much (or more? They are two different experiences.) as our Audi. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Oct 29, 2008 6:39 pm)
#11076 of 13141 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [waygrabow] by thegraduate Oct 29, 2008 (6:39 pm)
Replying to: waygrabow (Oct 29, 2008 6:32 pm) The poster has already expressed distaste for anything less than a 300hp V8, something no vehicle in this forum offers. No point in even having a discussion here.
#11077 of 13141 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [akirby] by backy Oct 29, 2008 (7:01 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Oct 29, 2008 12:12 pm) Well, I thought the Milan was pretty sorry looking (much too big a grille mostly) until you posted the photo of the new Fusion. OMG. All you see is THREE HUGE CHROME BARS that overwhelm the rest of the car--which is probably just fine styling-wise, except it's hard to tell from that photo and it's also hard to tell because of those three huge chrome bars that say proudly, "Look at me, I'm driving a Ford!!!"   I preferred the old Milan's styling to the old Fusion, and I still prefer the new Milan over the new Fusion except now I don't really like either one of them too much. Which is too bad because I really like the idea of a mid-sized sedan that gets 40 mpg highway.
#11078 of 13141 Re: 2010 Fusion Pic and Details [aviboy97] by jeffyscott Oct 29, 2008 (7:16 pm)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 29, 2008 3:43 pm) If they are indeed identical, then the Fusion must have a really really low revving 6th gear. 2,000-2,200 rpm's at 70mph?   I don't know if they are identical or not either, but in the case of the old 2.3, the mpg rating was essentially the same in the Mazda6 and Ford Fusion.   The Ford press release did ascribe "up to a 10 percent fuel economy improvement" to the new 6 speed trans. Replies to this message: aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 6:45 am) akirby (Oct 30, 2008 6:58 am) aviboy97 (Oct 30, 2008 7:04 am) and 1 more... vanman1 (Oct 30, 2008 4:04 pm)
#11079 of 13141 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [dm1212] by joe97 Oct 29, 2008 (8:13 pm)
Replying to: dm1212 (Oct 29, 2008 1:34 pm) Why would you buy any of them? Why wouldn't you buy a Passat with 4 years/50,000 mile warranty, and German engineering. I would never own a non-german made car.   Because not everyone shares the same opinion as you. While you may like the Passat, others differ.   The Passat is pretty good, but I'd imagine the price range is WAY out there for many of the midsize demographic. For the price of a nicely equipped Passat, you could step into something like an Infiniti G35, or a Hyundai Genesis.   Your selling points are the warranty and "German engineering". Having a longer warranty doesn't make the car any better, especially considering VW has always been on the tail-end of the quality/reliability ratings. And, "German engineering" is over-rated Replies to this message: tlong (Oct 29, 2008 8:45 pm)
#11080 of 13141 Re: 2009 Mazda 6i vs. 2009 Nissan Altima 2.5 [joe97] by tlong Oct 29, 2008 (8:45 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 29, 2008 8:13 pm) Why would you buy any of them? Why wouldn't you buy a Passat with 4 years/50,000 mile warranty, and German engineering. I would never own a non-german made car.   Well, because the new Passat looks like a German Toyota Corolla (where the old one was quite handsome). Because a longer warranty on a less reliable car is only valuable if you are getting rid of the less reliable car before the warranty runs out.   And yes, I've owned Mazdas, VWs, and Audis.

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