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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2008 1:32 pm) Yeah, I worded it a little funny. After I read what I wrote, it was too late to edit it. Know of any mid-sized sedans that get close to 100 mpg with world-class handling? Well, you did mention hybrids and other technologies that already exist. So, an improvement on those systems is evolutionary. World class handling? I guess that is a subjective question. Unless there is a totally new type of suspension to come out, anything that we may see in the future is evolutionary, meaning evolving from current technology. The closest thing to "revolutionary" that is about to hit the market is the Chevy Volt. Currently, there is no mass produced vehicle like that on the road that uses a gasoline engine for the only purpose of charging the battery, and the battery is used as the main source of power to the engine. I would say the Honda FXC is another, however, there are numerous rumors that the FXC will not go into mass production. The 1st gen Prius and 1st gen Insight were revolutionary almost 10 years ago.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2008 9:13 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 5:29 pm) I don't know the number sold but I'd consider the Civic GX mass produced.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 9:51 am) Side note, I can't believe the Honda Accord only gets 3 stars from rear side...
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Replying to: biker4 (Oct 24, 2008 6:26 pm) I would say the Civic GX is mass produced too. While there are not a lot available, you can actually go to a dealer and request one.
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 24, 2008 8:42 pm) I agree with you about the Accord and the rear crash test. I'm a little surprised about that. |
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Replying to: biker4 (Oct 24, 2008 6:22 pm) |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 5:29 pm) I suppose if some totally new form of propulsion, e.g. hyperdrive, were invented and first used on a car, that would be revolutionary, |
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Replying to: backy (Oct 26, 2008 11:02 am) If you go back and read what I wrote, you would see where I said that improving on existing technology is evolutionary, and the implementing introduction of new technology that has not been available is revolutionary. Thus the Volt is evolutionary--other cars (e.g. Prius) use a gas engine to charge the batteries so it can be driven only under electric power The Volt and Prius are totally different. The gasoline engine on the Volt is only used to charge the battery. The Volt is powered by an electric motor only. The gas engine has nothing to do with propulsion. The Prius only uses an electric motor for up to 25mph, and uses the gasoline engine for everything else, just like every other car on the road. They (especially the Prius) were the first to be successful in the marketplace, though. Yes, that makes them revolutionary. Toyota and Honda were the first companies to something no auto manufacturer has done before. It does not matter that the technology existed. We are not debating who invented what. We are talking about who was the first to offer it to the public on a grand scale. And since hydrogen fuel cells have been around for about 50 years, their use in a car is evolutionary also Again, for a company to introduce revolutionary technology does not mean that they had to invent it. Mazda is, and has always been considered a "revolutionary" company for vehicles like the RX's and MX-5 Miata. Did Mazda invent the rotary? No, Dr. Felix Wankel did. Mazda is the only company to continue to offer it to the public. Did Mazda invent the roadster? No, they just offer the most popular, best selling roadster in automotive history. Those are two of their signature vehicles, which no other manufacturer really offers. What makes companys revolutionary is their ability to offer products to the general public that has not been available to them before.
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