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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2] by aviboy97
Oct 24, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 24, 2008 9:19 am)

Ford will sell their stake in Mazda, it's just a matter of how much. They won't sell all. However, technology sharing will continue to take place for many years, gradually less and less as years progress is the presumption.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [backy] by aviboy97
Oct 24, 2008 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2008 9:13 am)

Well, until the NHTSA adds another "star" to their rating system, the Mazda6 is the safest on the road. It's the only mid-sized sedan with a "5-star" safety rating in all 5 category's.
 
While we are at it, who is going to be the first to make 'em fly??? How's that for revolution.... Everything else you mentioned is evolution BTW...
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97] by backy
Oct 24, 2008 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 9:51 am)

Evolution? Know of any mid-sized sedans that get close to 100 mpg with world-class handling? I don't...
 
5-for-5 on the NHTSA tests is impressive (especially on rollover, where 5 stars is very rare), but I'll wait for the IIHS tests to bestow "safest on the road" to the Mazda6.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [backy] by aviboy97
Oct 24, 2008 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2008 1:32 pm)

but I'll wait for the IIHS tests to bestow "safest on the road" to the Mazda6.
 
Yeah, I worded it a little funny. After I read what I wrote, it was too late to edit it.
 
 Know of any mid-sized sedans that get close to 100 mpg with world-class handling?
 
Well, you did mention hybrids and other technologies that already exist. So, an improvement on those systems is evolutionary. World class handling? I guess that is a subjective question. Unless there is a totally new type of suspension to come out, anything that we may see in the future is evolutionary, meaning evolving from current technology.
 
The closest thing to "revolutionary" that is about to hit the market is the Chevy Volt. Currently, there is no mass produced vehicle like that on the road that uses a gasoline engine for the only purpose of charging the battery, and the battery is used as the main source of power to the engine. I would say the Honda FXC is another, however, there are numerous rumors that the FXC will not go into mass production.
 
The 1st gen Prius and 1st gen Insight were revolutionary almost 10 years ago.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [backy] by biker4
Oct 24, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 24, 2008 9:13 am)

Most of that is doable except the under 2500lb part. Unless you're talking about a $100K+ composite frame/panels car, it'll never weigh less than 2500lbs.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97] by biker4
Oct 24, 2008 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 5:29 pm)

I guess it depends on one's definition of mass production - while the current run of 200 FCXs may not be mass production, I'd say once they make about 1000 of them, that's close enough.
 
 I don't know the number sold but I'd consider the Civic GX mass produced.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97] by joe97
Oct 24, 2008 (8:42 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 9:51 am)

If I am not mistaken, the last criteria, rollover, gets 5 stars if the chance of rollover is less than 10%. Mazda6 checks in at 9%, while a host of other midsize at 10%. Realistically speaking, that very little difference is inconsequential.
 
Side note, I can't believe the Honda Accord only gets 3 stars from rear side...
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [biker4] by aviboy97
Oct 25, 2008 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: biker4 (Oct 24, 2008 6:26 pm)

You're right, it does depend on what you consider "mass production". One cannot walk into a Honda dealer and test drive, or purchase a FXC, so, I do not consider it as a mass produced vehicle. I believe they are private or corporate lease vehicles only. Mazda has a hydrogen rotary hybrid that is currently leased to corporations in Japan and Europe. While it is revolutionary, I really don't see it hitting the streets any time soon.
 
I would say the Civic GX is mass produced too. While there are not a lot available, you can actually go to a dealer and request one.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [joe97] by aviboy97
Oct 25, 2008 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 24, 2008 8:42 pm)

While the percentage point may be only 1%, the vast majority of the public does not know that. All they see is stars. In the general public's mind, there is a big difference between 4 stars and 5 stars.
 
I agree with you about the Accord and the rear crash test. I'm a little surprised about that.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97] by explorerx4
Oct 25, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 25, 2008 5:30 am)

at one point, the GX was only available in 2 states. has that changed?

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