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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#10997 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [explorerx4]
Oct 23, 2008 (2:23 pm)
ever see a ford mx-5? a ford rotary?
of course not, that would be way too creative for any of the former 'Big 3'. The RXs and the Miatas are great examples of what Mazda in this case can do right if left to its own means. I only hope that Ford is forced to divest itself of Mazda and then we might see more of the same. How about a Mazda6 that is revolutionary and innovative as opposed to one that is evolutionary and more of the same?
#10998 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2]
Oct 23, 2008 (2:34 pm)
Without Ford cash in the 1990s there would be no Mazda6. For that matter, no Mazda, period.
#10999 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2]
Oct 23, 2008 (4:40 pm)
Ford does NOT tell Mazda which vehicles to sell or not sell. They simply share engineering where it makes sense for both companies.
#11000 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2]
Oct 24, 2008 (8:51 am)
There is not much revolution that can be placed into a mid-sized family car these day's. Many thought the 1st gen Mazda6 was revolutionary, particularly in terms of the drive. The second generation is always an evolutionary process. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. That being said, the Mazda6 does offer a lot, especially on the technology side, in terms of features that are not commonly found in a non premium mid-sized sedan. Add that to the sportiest drive of the bunch, and you have a vehicle that stands out.
#11001 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2]
Oct 24, 2008 (8:53 am)
How about a Mazda6 that is revolutionary and innovative as opposed to one that is evolutionary and more of the same?
They tried that with the first one and it didn't sell as well as planned. We'll see how the more Camry/Accord-like version 2.0 goes.
#11002 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97]
Oct 24, 2008 (9:13 am)
Sure there is some revolution that is possible. How about this: come up with a sedan that is mid-sized (on the large end of mid-sized) in interior and trunk volume, weighs no more than 2500 pounds, is powered by an advanced powerplant that gets close to 50 mpg (e.g. the VW turbo + supercharged small-displacement I4, or maybe an advanced but low-cost plug-in hybrid powerplant that gets close to 100 mpg), has world-class safety, world-class ride and handling, drop-dead gorgeous styling inside and out, and with an MSRP starting at around $20,000.
How does that sound?
#11003 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [stephen987]
Oct 24, 2008 (9:19 am)
Without Ford cash in the 1990s there would be no Mazda6.
certainly true - now 'ancient' history and hardly the point. Ford controls Mazda and has for a number of years now. Ford is now losing billions, selling 'junk' bonds, and building cars in Mexico while Mazda is rumored to actually be making a bit of money - so who do you think really is the ball and chain in this equation today? Toyo Koygo had historically been an independent, free thinking, and innovative company - not so much anymore.
Nissan was in a similar position as Mazda at about the same time, got several billion francs injected from Renault, and ended up with one of the most competitive and profitable product lines in the entire industry. Carlo Ghosn notwithstanding, do you really believe that Ford's interest in Mazda has helped them at all in the last 10 years or so? Or hurt?
#11004 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2]
Oct 24, 2008 (9:48 am)
Ford will sell their stake in Mazda, it's just a matter of how much. They won't sell all. However, technology sharing will continue to take place for many years, gradually less and less as years progress is the presumption.
#11005 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [backy]
Oct 24, 2008 (9:51 am)
Well, until the NHTSA adds another "star" to their rating system, the Mazda6 is the safest on the road. It's the only mid-sized sedan with a "5-star" safety rating in all 5 category's.
While we are at it, who is going to be the first to make 'em fly??? How's that for revolution.... Everything else you mentioned is evolution BTW...
#11006 of 20200 Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97]
Oct 24, 2008 (1:32 pm)
Evolution? Know of any mid-sized sedans that get close to 100 mpg with world-class handling? I don't...
5-for-5 on the NHTSA tests is impressive (especially on rollover, where 5 stars is very rare), but I'll wait for the IIHS tests to bestow "safest on the road" to the Mazda6.