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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 Toyota Camry SE 4-cylinder vs.2009 Mazda6i [akirby] by aviboy97
Oct 23, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 23, 2008 8:35 am)

oh, it's for sure......no comparison.
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2010 Fusion Order Guide is out by akirby
Oct 23, 2008 (12:28 pm)
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Base, SE, SEL, Sport and Hybrid models
 
Base, SE and SEL - standard 2.5L I4, 6 speed manual
Optional 6 speed automatic
Optional Flex Fuel (E85) 3.0L V6 w/6 speed selectshift automatic (upgraded to 240+ hp) on SE and SEL
 
Sport - standard 3.5L w/6 speed selectshift automatic, sport tuned suspension
Hybrid - 2.5L I4 hybrid with Aisin E-CVT transmission and twin LCD displays
 
AWD available on SEL and Sport V6 models only.
 
Blind spot detection
Rear view camera
SOS post crash alert system
2nd gen Navigation and Sync
Sony 12 speaker sound system
Ambient lighting
Capless fueling
 
If they hit the predicted best in class fuel economy targets and get the restyling right then this will make the midsize sedan wars very interesting......
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [thegraduate] by explorerx4
Oct 23, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 21, 2008 6:44 pm)

the question was of brand seperation, so i widened the horizon a bit.
i didn't realize mazda's made their extra power versus fords, until recently when it was evened out, due to just using VVT.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [explorerx4] by captain2
Oct 23, 2008 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 21, 2008 5:09 pm)

ever see a ford mx-5? a ford rotary?
of course not, that would be way too creative for any of the former 'Big 3'. The RXs and the Miatas are great examples of what Mazda in this case can do right if left to its own means. I only hope that Ford is forced to divest itself of Mazda and then we might see more of the same. How about a Mazda6 that is revolutionary and innovative as opposed to one that is evolutionary and more of the same?
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2] by stephen987
Oct 23, 2008 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 23, 2008 2:23 pm)

Without Ford cash in the 1990s there would be no Mazda6. For that matter, no Mazda, period.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2] by akirby
Oct 23, 2008 (4:40 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 23, 2008 2:23 pm)

Ford does NOT tell Mazda which vehicles to sell or not sell. They simply share engineering where it makes sense for both companies.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2] by aviboy97
Oct 24, 2008 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 23, 2008 2:23 pm)

There is not much revolution that can be placed into a mid-sized family car these day's. Many thought the 1st gen Mazda6 was revolutionary, particularly in terms of the drive. The second generation is always an evolutionary process. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. That being said, the Mazda6 does offer a lot, especially on the technology side, in terms of features that are not commonly found in a non premium mid-sized sedan. Add that to the sportiest drive of the bunch, and you have a vehicle that stands out.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [captain2] by baggs32
Oct 24, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 23, 2008 2:23 pm)

How about a Mazda6 that is revolutionary and innovative as opposed to one that is evolutionary and more of the same?
 
They tried that with the first one and it didn't sell as well as planned. We'll see how the more Camry/Accord-like version 2.0 goes.
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [aviboy97] by backy
Oct 24, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2008 8:51 am)

Sure there is some revolution that is possible. How about this: come up with a sedan that is mid-sized (on the large end of mid-sized) in interior and trunk volume, weighs no more than 2500 pounds, is powered by an advanced powerplant that gets close to 50 mpg (e.g. the VW turbo + supercharged small-displacement I4, or maybe an advanced but low-cost plug-in hybrid powerplant that gets close to 100 mpg), has world-class safety, world-class ride and handling, drop-dead gorgeous styling inside and out, and with an MSRP starting at around $20,000.
 
How does that sound?
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Re: 2010 Fusion Specs [stephen987] by captain2
Oct 24, 2008 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 23, 2008 2:34 pm)

Without Ford cash in the 1990s there would be no Mazda6.
certainly true - now 'ancient' history and hardly the point. Ford controls Mazda and has for a number of years now. Ford is now losing billions, selling 'junk' bonds, and building cars in Mexico while Mazda is rumored to actually be making a bit of money - so who do you think really is the ball and chain in this equation today? Toyo Koygo had historically been an independent, free thinking, and innovative company - not so much anymore.
Nissan was in a similar position as Mazda at about the same time, got several billion francs injected from Renault, and ended up with one of the most competitive and profitable product lines in the entire industry. Carlo Ghosn notwithstanding, do you really believe that Ford's interest in Mazda has helped them at all in the last 10 years or so? Or hurt?

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