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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#10928 of 20223 Re: KBB Rates Malibu as Best in Class [kdshapiro]
Sep 29, 2008 (9:46 am)
The Legacy GT with a mtx is the quickest, and smallest of the bunch. I have spent a lot of time in all Legacy's, since we have a Subaru store in addition to our Mazda store. The atx Legacy GT has an excess of turbo lag that is just too much to over look. The handling of the Legacy GT is also undesirable. It has a very soft suspension, and the steering is not all that great, and the braking is terrible. You would think with AWD it would be the best handler of the group too, but, it is not. My 05 Mazda6 handles better then the Legacy GT. Now, Subaru offers the GT Spec-B, but also at a premium price tag, and still does not handle as well as it should. Then add in sub par fuel economy and premium fuel and that totally takes it out of the market for most people. If you notice, most Legacy GT's on the road are 2005-2006's. Ever since gas went crazy, Gt sales have taken a hit.
I almost traded our 2002 Impreza for a Legacy 2.5i, but, my wife did not like it that much. She prefers an Outback. I'm glad she did not go with the Legacy because the rear is no bigger then the Impreza, and the trunk is very small. With a new born baby in the house, the Legacy sedan just does not suit our needs. We are holding out until I can rob a pre-owned Outback at the auction!
#10929 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [stephen987]
Oct 04, 2008 (2:22 pm)
I also feel Camry's suspension too soft, but it's not right if you take it out of consideration. It's been #1 seller for years for some reason. You should try testing all and read all the bad reviews to find out what you like and dislike. Yes, I found bad reviews are more useful to avoid a car that you won't like. I have owned many different cars and currently have bmw and toyota for their best value in different way.
#10930 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [james108]
Oct 04, 2008 (3:13 pm)
Suspension in Camry LE soft for a simple reason - it's buyers want cushy and quiet ride for a car that is not as heavy as a Cadillac. For firmer and sportier ride try Camry SE trim.
#10931 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [lucky_777]
Oct 05, 2008 (5:22 am)
No offense, but putting a sport suspension on a car doesn't make it a "sport sedan" by any means. The Camry was tuned to be a midsize land yacht. Therefore, it handles with the agility and feedback equivilant to that of a cruise liner. Instead, the Camry SE sticks out even more because the SE trim is a "land yacht with a sport suspension". That just doesn't make sense. When I drove it, I noticed that I didn't get any feedback through the wheel on the SE model, but I felt everything through the body of the car. It was awful! You can't put a sport suspension on a car and expect it to be called a sport sedan. There's more to it then that. The Camry SE is NOT a sport sedan... not by a mile.
If you want a sportier sedan, buy an Accord, Altima, Mazda6, etc. If you want a car that soaks up road imperfections and transmits nothing to the driver, get a Sonata or a Camry. Unfortunately, the Camry SE doesn't belong in either of these categories.
#10932 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [madpistol]
Oct 05, 2008 (5:57 pm)
That's correct. I have Camry LE and Solara SE. The LE is comfy and the SE is a bit sportier. If it's possible, go try BMW............. What you pay is what you get.... I never drove Mazda, but have owned Honda and Nissan before.
#10933 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [madpistol]
Oct 06, 2008 (5:09 am)
No offense, but putting a sport suspension on a car doesn't make it a "sport sedan" by any means. The Camry was tuned to be a midsize land yacht. Therefore, it handles with the agility and feedback equivilant to that of a cruise liner. Instead, the Camry SE sticks out even more because the SE trim is a "land yacht with a sport suspension". That just doesn't make sense.
I think what you are trying to say is that there is more than just shocks and springs to make a sport sedan. I agree with that, but I do think its a good start. Having a suspension that makes the car feel responsive (in addition to good steering feedback and tires that communicate road feel to the driver) are a big part of a "sport sedan."
I think for most, the Legacy would be considered "too" sporty (the ride is very responsive, but you do feel more of the road), but I enjoy that car. I think my '07 Accord still has pretty masked steering, sorry tires, and is higher than the Subaru, so I don't see a whole lot of sport in that. I am hoping that shocks/springs/bars will change that a bit.
#10934 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [lilengineerboy]
Oct 06, 2008 (6:45 am)
I would disagree with you about the sportiness of the Legacy. While it does have a "sporty" nature about it, the Mazda6 and Nissan Altima are far sportier then it. The Legacy has heavy steering, lots of body roll and average braking. AWD, in this case, does not translate into great handling. The Legacy GT Spec B does have better handling, however, it carries a price tag of low to mid $30's, limited availability, premium fuel and sub par fuel economy.
The Legacy was considered by my wife as a replacement for her Impreza, however, the rear seat room is not much bigger and the trunk room is nearly the same as the Impreza. She really wants an Outback, so, when I can find a good deal at the auction, I will grab one.
#10935 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [aviboy97]
Oct 06, 2008 (7:07 am)
What is the point of "sportiness" anyway.Unless you plan to make high speed turns(dangerous) or race it at LeMans(unlikely) what is the point. I would think that economy,comfort and value would override sportiness to most reasonable drivers.
I have a relatively new (2006.5) KIa Optima EX and it is not considered "sporty" yet it makes turns well, brakes well and is reasonably comfortable.At the same times it retails well under $25K with leather and with all the options that are available(except for a spoiler). It has a 4 cyl engine, and is easy to drive.What more could a person want?
#10936 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [mickeyrom]
Oct 06, 2008 (7:28 am)
What is the point of "sportiness" anyway.
It has a 4 cyl engine, and is easy to drive.What more could a person want?
It sounds like you'd enjoy a car made by Toyota... or Broyhill. Kidding (well, sort-of).
How about a little bit of fun? The ability to take a twisty road and not have wishy-washy body motions to squelch the fun. Having steering that is well-weighted with some road feel to get an idea of what the car is actually doing.
Some people just want to get where they're going comfortably. Others want to get there comfortably, but actually enjoy the driving experience. I'm not knocking people who don't care about sportiness, because obviously, the Camry sells in droves and its mainstream models (LE, XLE) don't have a sporty bone in their unibody. That works for a lot of people; it's like driving... only decaf.
As for me, I like comfort and practicality, while at least having the ability to zip around town or down the river-road (twisty, 40-50 MPH with a speed limit that is probably set a little high at 45 MPH; lots of tight turns with 25MPH yellow "caution" signs on the curves. When I take that road, I know I can take the corner and the suspension and steering won't play dead.
I'm not a dangerous driver, as my spotless driving record and high gas mileage speaks for itself. I do appreciate a car with some athleticism though, even if it doubles as a carpool vehicle during the week.
#10937 of 20223 Re: help me choose a sedan [mickeyrom]
Oct 06, 2008 (7:31 am)
"sportiness" is not defined by high speed driving dynamics. The fact is, many us us (hopefully) don't drive our cars like they are a race car. The point is that many of us want out car to respond with virtually no effort for it makes us feel more connected with the road. I, for one, like to get a little excitement out of my drive. Many cars have spongy brakes, floaty suspension, squeal tires in turns, have lots of body roll, and have a soft steering feel. I don't like that. It makes me feel unsafe.
You can get economy, value AND sportiness in a few vehicles out there. Altima and Mazda6 come to mind. For many, a car that drives like my grandmothers Buick is a waste of money.
I have a 2005 Mazda6 4cyl mtx with 45,000 miles. It has handling compared to a BMW 3 series, best in class brake performance, reliable, good fuel economy (not class leading, but good enough for me), classic styling (IMO) and still turns heads when I'm driving. I bought it with a Bose Audio system, leather/heated seats, moon roof. I bought is for just over $20,000. That is tremendous value. For me, that is what I want. In my case, this is far superior to a Kia Optima. I'm not saying the Kia Optima is not a bad car, it's just the wrong car for me.