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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Where's Honda? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 18, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 18, 2008 6:54 am)

I'm sure Camry gets lower review ratings recently because they sell Camry LE with cheap and crappy Bridgestone Turanza EL400 tires while Honda sells Accords with Michelin. Few $$ that Toyota saves on tires result in bad reviews and lost sales
 
So you're saying we should overlook it, and give Toyota a pass for cheaping out? I disagree. We don't have to make excuses for everyone else, and Toyota, typically one of the most expensive options out there, CERTAINLY shouldn't get them.
 
I can't help but notice you said "4-cyl Camry is the fastest...". Um, with the lowest-in-class horsepower, it just isn't; regardless of Toyota's cost-cutting on tires or not.
 
Braking/Acceleration
 
170ft from 70 MPH, 8.9 sec to 60 MPH. Camry
 
169ft from 70 MPH, 8.2 sec to 60 MPH. Accord
 
168ft from 70 MPH, 7.8 sec to 60 MPH. Altima
 
170ft from 80 MPH, 8.7 sec to 60 MPH. Malibu
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by maxamillion1
Sep 18, 2008 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 5:34 am)

I've got that comparison at home on my desk...I guess I should have clarified that I'd like to see how the Mazda6 ranks when tested against the four cylinder CamCordNataMaliTima's of the world.
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 18, 2008 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 5:19 pm)

I don't know where your numbers came from but I got mine from
Edmunds Road Tests Comparison Test: 2008 Four-Cylinder Family Sedans
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=124091
 
"Life in Camryland isn't all bad, though. It turns a tighter circle at 36.1 feet than either the Accord at 37.7 feet or Malibu at 40.4 feet, making it less stressful to maneuver in crowded areas. The Toyota also stopped the shortest from 60 mph at 122 feet."
 
"the four-cylinder Toyota Camry is quick relative to its competition. Our LE test car's 8.9-second 0-60-mph time is tops for this group, as is its 16.9-second quarter-mile at 82.3 mph (though the Accord, which has 19 more horsepower, nearly closed the gap)."
 
Most likely your numbers are for old generation Accord that was quicker then this year model. Altima wasn't part of edmunds review.
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0-60 & 1/4 mile times? by elroy5
Sep 18, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Why are 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times considered so important? Who does this, and why? IMO, full throttle from a dry stop, puts unnecessary strain on engine mounts, and other drive line components. I am more interested in 40-70mph or 50-80mph times. Where are they?
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Re: 0-60 & 1/4 mile times? [elroy5] by thegraduate
Sep 18, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Sep 18, 2008 5:59 pm)

Since no sources use the same passing times (some cite 45-65, some do 30-50 and 50-70) so 1/4 mile and 0-60 times is all we have to compare. Also, starting from zero shows low-end power as well as top-end passing power.
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Re: Where's Honda? [lucky_777] by joe97
Sep 18, 2008 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 18, 2008 5:32 pm)

Altima wasn't part of edmunds review.
 
Then you can't claim the Camry being the fastest in this class. Clearly the Passat is the fastest; followed in a distant second by the Altima.
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Re: 0-60 & 1/4 mile times? [thegraduate] by elroy5
Sep 18, 2008 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 6:51 pm)

I don't think 1/4 mile times are a good indication of passing power. A car could have a lower 1/4 mile time, than another car, and actually be slower from 50-80mph. In my world 50-80mph is more important than 0-60mph. Unless you drag race your family car, this is probably true for most drivers.
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Re: 0-60 & 1/4 mile times? [elroy5] by joe97
Sep 18, 2008 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Sep 18, 2008 7:56 pm)

So these stats are probably more relevant, especially w/ the current state:
 
F/E 4 cyclinder (top three)
  
Nissan Altima 2.5L 6-spd manual - 23/32
Chevy Malibu 2.4L 6-spd auto 22/33
Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 5-spd auto 22/32
  
F/E 6 cyclinder (top three)
  
Hyundai Sonata 3.3L 5-spd auto 19/29
Honda Accord 3.5L 5-spd auto 19/29
Toyota Camry 3.5L 6-spd auto 19/28
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Re: 0-60 & 1/4 mile times? [elroy5] by thegraduate
Sep 18, 2008 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Sep 18, 2008 7:56 pm)

I do a lot of suburban interstate driving. Short on-ramps, multiple lanes. Passing power isn't too important since there are 3 or 4 lanes from which to choose. Merging in can be tough though, so 0-60 actually matters more to me than 50-80.
 
Different strokes, different folks.

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