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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Where's Honda? [oldcem] by thegraduate
Sep 17, 2008 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: oldcem (Sep 17, 2008 7:54 pm)

According to Motor Trend, the Camry is fastest among the Altima, Accord, and Malibu V6 Sedans.
 
Car and Driver ran the Camry SE-V6 with numbers below. Which mags had the GM twins being faster?
 
2007 Toyota Camry V-6
Second Place: The Quickest Cars of 2007: $20,000 to $25,000
 
Base price: $24,160
0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.3 sec 99 mph

 
The Saturn Aura XR was ninth on this list.
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by maxamillion1
Sep 18, 2008 (12:20 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 17, 2008 8:19 pm)

I agree here....I'd say the 3.6 V6 found in the GM Midsize Triplets is faster than say the Accord's or Altima's 3.5L V6s, but I don't think it can match the Mazda6 V6 or Camry V6 for acceleration. I'm ready for an all out test of the midsize four cylinder models though. I'm curious as to how these cars would be ranked based on the traditional requirements for a family sedan...room, ride, handling, fuel economy and things of that nature. I wonder where the 6 would rank amongst class leaders like the Malibu and Sonata as far as fuel economy on a real-world level.
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Re: Where's Honda? [maxamillion1] by thegraduate
Sep 18, 2008 (5:34 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Sep 18, 2008 12:20 am)

4-cyl Midsize Comparison
 
Check that out, it may be what you're looking for; it's a Car and Driver Comparo.
 
For what it is worth, the Motor Trend comparison I referenced in my previous post had the Malibu and the Accord accelerating at the same rate to 60 MPH. Other tests I've seen put the Malibu slightly faster (by about 2 tenths of a second).
 
The Camry is simply the fastest family car in the $25,000 category.
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Re: Where's Honda? [maxamillion1] by joe97
Sep 18, 2008 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Sep 18, 2008 12:20 am)

GM has a fantastic 6 cyl. on their hand, the only improvement I can see is on fuel economy.
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 18, 2008 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 5:34 am)

I'm sure Camry gets lower review ratings recently because they sell Camry LE with cheap and crappy Bridgestone Turanza EL400 tires while Honda sells Accords with Michelin. Few $$ that Toyota saves on tires result in bad reviews and lost sales. Otherwise 4 cyl Camry is fastest, smoothest car with shortest braking distance in it's class.
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Re: Where's Honda? [lucky_777] by joe97
Sep 18, 2008 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 18, 2008 6:54 am)

Otherwise 4 cyl Camry is fastest, smoothest car with shortest braking distance in it's class.
 
Right now I think Malibu and Sonata are 1-2 in stopping distances, although the Sonata has the slimest margin over the 3rd place Camry.
 
I can't give you fastest even w/ better tires. Passat and Altima stand in as much faster sprinters.
 
I would argue the Sonata has the smoothest ride but certainly a better set of tires could improve the already smooth Camry.
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Re: Where's Honda? [joe97] by aviboy97
Sep 18, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Sep 18, 2008 12:04 pm)

The Mazda6 4 cyl has yet to be tested. I would assume that it would rank near the top, since all cars Mazda produces tend to hang out in the top of driving dynamic category's , like braking.
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Re: Where's Honda? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 18, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 18, 2008 6:54 am)

I'm sure Camry gets lower review ratings recently because they sell Camry LE with cheap and crappy Bridgestone Turanza EL400 tires while Honda sells Accords with Michelin. Few $$ that Toyota saves on tires result in bad reviews and lost sales
 
So you're saying we should overlook it, and give Toyota a pass for cheaping out? I disagree. We don't have to make excuses for everyone else, and Toyota, typically one of the most expensive options out there, CERTAINLY shouldn't get them.
 
I can't help but notice you said "4-cyl Camry is the fastest...". Um, with the lowest-in-class horsepower, it just isn't; regardless of Toyota's cost-cutting on tires or not.
 
Braking/Acceleration
 
170ft from 70 MPH, 8.9 sec to 60 MPH. Camry
 
169ft from 70 MPH, 8.2 sec to 60 MPH. Accord
 
168ft from 70 MPH, 7.8 sec to 60 MPH. Altima
 
170ft from 80 MPH, 8.7 sec to 60 MPH. Malibu
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by maxamillion1
Sep 18, 2008 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 5:34 am)

I've got that comparison at home on my desk...I guess I should have clarified that I'd like to see how the Mazda6 ranks when tested against the four cylinder CamCordNataMaliTima's of the world.
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Re: Where's Honda? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 18, 2008 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 18, 2008 5:19 pm)

I don't know where your numbers came from but I got mine from
Edmunds Road Tests Comparison Test: 2008 Four-Cylinder Family Sedans
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=124091
 
"Life in Camryland isn't all bad, though. It turns a tighter circle at 36.1 feet than either the Accord at 37.7 feet or Malibu at 40.4 feet, making it less stressful to maneuver in crowded areas. The Toyota also stopped the shortest from 60 mph at 122 feet."
 
"the four-cylinder Toyota Camry is quick relative to its competition. Our LE test car's 8.9-second 0-60-mph time is tops for this group, as is its 16.9-second quarter-mile at 82.3 mph (though the Accord, which has 19 more horsepower, nearly closed the gap)."
 
Most likely your numbers are for old generation Accord that was quicker then this year model. Altima wasn't part of edmunds review.

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