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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [aviboy97] by stephen987
Sep 15, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 9:51 am)

Good info to have--it's nice to have insight from a dealer.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 15, 2008 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 9:14 am)

Surprisingly Camry 2.4 L I4 is faster then Accord I4 or Malibu in 0-60 mph. Because of the quiet and smooth ride it just doesn't feel very quick.
 
"our-cylinder Toyota Camry is quick relative to its competition. Our LE test car's 8.9-second 0-60-mph time is tops for this group, as is its 16.9-second quarter-mile at 82.3 mph (though the Accord, which has 19 more horsepower, nearly closed the gap)."
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=124091
 
While Accord is fine automobile it's ride is more harsh and noisy then Camry, gives you impression of fast pick up. It is all subjective feeling. Facts prove otherwise.
 
BTW Camry also has best brakes and turning radius in the group
 
"Life in Camryland isn't all bad, though. It turns a tighter circle at 36.1 feet than either the Accord at 37.7 feet or Malibu at 40.4 feet, making it less stressful to maneuver in crowded areas. The Toyota also stopped the shortest from 60 mph at 122 feet."
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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [stephen987] by aviboy97
Sep 15, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 15, 2008 9:54 am)

The Mazda6 i Sport is a pretty good value. I would opt for one over a Mazda3 s Touring. Safety features are the same, and the Mazda6 is more economical, larger, quieter and more refined. They are also very very close in price. I would go for the Mazda6 i Sport over the Mazda3 s Touring if it came down to the two.
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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [aviboy97] by stephen987
Sep 15, 2008 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 10:08 am)

More economical? I missed that--is it because of the six-speed? (Or were you talking about the '08 model?)
 
Also, how difficult is it to find an '09 Mazda 6i with the manual transmission?
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 15, 2008 9:56 am)

If you'll notice I didn't say my Accord was the 08 model; it is a 2006 with 166hp. I don't care for the new Accord or Camry either one, actually. I'd like to drive a new Mazda 6, and take another look at the Altima, if I had to replace my Accord.
 
Per Motor Trend
 
Accord LX-SE 5AT
2006 0-60 - 8.1s
 
Camry LE 5AT
2007 0-60 - 8.7s
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 15, 2008 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 10:38 am)

Why would you compare current Camry with old generation Accord that was discontinued a year ago?I had 6 gen Accord for worry free 9 years and really wanted to like a new one but ended up buying 09 Camry.
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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [stephen987] by aviboy97
Sep 15, 2008 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 15, 2008 10:10 am)

Yes, more economical and powerful then the Mazda3. At 170hp, it is rated at 30hwy and 21city, but yet, real world FE from the first owners show it at 32hwy so far, without the engine being broken in.
 
If you are looking for a mtx, they are just starting to pop up. I have two, one of which is a i Sport. It really is very very smooth and really quick. I was really pleased with my first drive.
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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [aviboy97] by stephen987
Sep 15, 2008 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 11:05 am)

I've driven the Honda equivalent of the 6i Sport, an Accord LX-P five-speed, and I was impressed with it in a lot of ways, but it seemed a little "disconnected" compared to our Civic. That's the same complaint I have with our '02 Accord--it feels "big" in a negative way, a bit overdamped in its responses.
 
I rented an '08 Milan recently for a couple of weeks and it was much more direct than the Accord--it felt more like the Civic, or even a little like my dad's old 3-series. If the Mazda6 has that level of steering feel and balance, it might be worth making the 100-mile drive to the Atlanta dealerships that have some variety in stock. (Our local Mazda dealer is very much a lowest-common-denominator place.)
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Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [stephen987] by aviboy97
Sep 15, 2008 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 15, 2008 11:29 am)

The 09 Mazda6 will feel more connected to the road then a Milan. Drive it. I think you will be pleased.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 15, 2008 10:56 am)

Because I'm comparing what I have in relation to what is out there; is that a problem? And, when I shopped and decided on my 06 Accord, the Camry was still all of those things (not nearly as frisky as the Accord). I use my current car as a measuring stick for what I"m going to replace it with. If I don't find something I like better I won't trade. It's that simple.

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