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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 8:38 am)

Final mileage ratings are pending, but Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong put preliminary estimates at 20/26 mpg city/highway for a FWD four-cylinder, which is about 10% better than the FWD V-6’s already-decent 18/24 mpg rating. (Memo to Dodge: This unseats the four-cylinder Journey, which gets 19/25 mpg, as segment-best.)
 
20/26 would put it at 2 MPG shy of the RAV4 with the 2.4L. Considering the extra weight here, it doesn't sound like it is that much more thirsty. The RAV is hampered by a 4-speed automatic, but the Highlander is saddled with more weight, so who knows.
 
Question (I'm trying to get the thread stirring again ): What's the benefit of having a 2.7L engine be a 4-cylinder instead of a V6? (Chrysler has a 2.7L V6 now, and not so long ago finding a 2.5L-2.8L V6 was easy)
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 15, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 8:32 am)

I'd stay away from new Toyota engine and wouldn't want to be an early adopter. Current 2.4L while not a speed demon, proved itself in terms of durability and FE. It is more then capable for current size Camry. If you need bigger engine in Camry then go for V6, they sell at good discount.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 15, 2008 8:57 am)

There's not a Camry that fits what I need/want. Compared to my 2.4L Accord, the Camry just feels too darn sleepy; making the Honda feel more like an eager puppy. Aggressive throttle response, tight responses to steering input, a firm and responsive brake pedal, and a quick thinking transmission goes a LONG way in making the Accord feel MUCH happier when you need to hustle. A more happily motivated engine would help the Camry, if not alter its attitude (obviously not everyone wants a sporty car).
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [lucky_777] by stephen987
Sep 15, 2008 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 15, 2008 8:57 am)

But hasn't the 2.7L I-4 been in the Tacoma for a couple of years already?
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upper-level compact, or basic midsize? by stephen987
Sep 15, 2008 (9:46 am)
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Hi, folks. An interesting question has come up. Here's the background:
 
  • Our current vehicles are an '02 Accord V6 with 76k and a '99 Civic EX 5-speed with 138k

  • My wife and I are reasonably pleased with both cars, but both prefer to drive the Civic when we have a choice, because of its nimble, fun nature compared to the "maturity" of the driving experience in the Accord

  • Gas is selling for $4.50 per gallon here in Jawjah

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    With these factors in mind, we are beginning to think about the possibility of replacing one or both of our current cars. (The Dodge truck will continue to sit underneath the oak tree in the back yard).
     
    The riddle is this: with aging relatives and a fair amount of medium-length (3-4 hour) trips on the agenda, we might still need a midsize sedan for comfort, but not necessarily for space, as we do not have children--just three cats. But our budget would probably dictate a four-cylinder model this time, with less equipment than our '02. For the same money as a basic midsize, we could probably get a really nice compact. Among the possibilities:
     
  • Accord LX-P vs. Civic EX

  • Mazda 6i SV or Sport vs. Mazda 3s Touring

  • Sonata GLS vs. Elantra SE

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    So I'm wondering what the group thinks on this subject. There's also the "wildcard"--a local dealer is advertising an '08 Fusion S, five speed manual, for $14,599.
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    Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [stephen987] by aviboy97
    Sep 15, 2008 (9:51 am)
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    Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 15, 2008 9:46 am)

    I would not put the Mazda6 SV on your list. They are a special order car only. I have yet to be able to order one for our inventory. Basically, you won't be able to get one.
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    Re: help me choose a sedan [nick_22] by ergsum
    Sep 15, 2008 (9:52 am)
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    Replying to: nick_22 (Sep 13, 2008 1:19 pm)

    The 2009 Sonata I4 Se placed second behind the Volkswagen in a Motor Trend comparison of ten midsize family sedans.
     
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    Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [aviboy97] by stephen987
    Sep 15, 2008 (9:54 am)
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    Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 9:51 am)

    Good info to have--it's nice to have insight from a dealer.
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    Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
    Sep 15, 2008 (9:56 am)
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    Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 9:14 am)

    Surprisingly Camry 2.4 L I4 is faster then Accord I4 or Malibu in 0-60 mph. Because of the quiet and smooth ride it just doesn't feel very quick.
     
    "our-cylinder Toyota Camry is quick relative to its competition. Our LE test car's 8.9-second 0-60-mph time is tops for this group, as is its 16.9-second quarter-mile at 82.3 mph (though the Accord, which has 19 more horsepower, nearly closed the gap)."
     
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=124091
     
    While Accord is fine automobile it's ride is more harsh and noisy then Camry, gives you impression of fast pick up. It is all subjective feeling. Facts prove otherwise.
     
    BTW Camry also has best brakes and turning radius in the group
     
    "Life in Camryland isn't all bad, though. It turns a tighter circle at 36.1 feet than either the Accord at 37.7 feet or Malibu at 40.4 feet, making it less stressful to maneuver in crowded areas. The Toyota also stopped the shortest from 60 mph at 122 feet."
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    Re: upper-level compact, or basic midsize? [stephen987] by aviboy97
    Sep 15, 2008 (10:08 am)
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    Replying to: stephen987 (Sep 15, 2008 9:54 am)

    The Mazda6 i Sport is a pretty good value. I would opt for one over a Mazda3 s Touring. Safety features are the same, and the Mazda6 is more economical, larger, quieter and more refined. They are also very very close in price. I would go for the Mazda6 i Sport over the Mazda3 s Touring if it came down to the two.

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