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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: help me choose a sedan [nick_22] by aqua33v6
Sep 13, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: nick_22 (Sep 13, 2008 1:19 pm)

I own a 2006 Sonata GLS V6 and I've been very happy with it so far. It has just under 25K miles on it. I can't recall reading any "horrible" Sonata reviews... and I've read reviews by all the major auto mags. The 2006/07/08 Sonatas are right up there with the Camry and Accord in regards to overall quality and refinement. The 2009's are even better - nicer interior, best in class EPA, etc. You might be surprised if you test drive one.
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Re: help me choose a sedan [nick_22] by backy
Sep 13, 2008 (5:30 pm)
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Replying to: nick_22 (Sep 13, 2008 6:28 am)

I was wondering if people on these forums could help me narrow it down to the top 3 based on space, build quality, equipment, safety, value, and driving performance...
 
You didn't mention "style", which I applaud you for but let's be realistic, you're 17 so I'll bet style counts for something here, right? You also didn't say what kind of "equipment" is most important to you. If you drive in the snow a lot, for example, that might tilt AWD cars like the Legacy, Fusion, and Milan in your favor.
 
You didn't mention "fuel economy" in your list. But unless your folks are going to help you buy gas, I'd think that is important to you too.
 
But anyway.... based on your list, plus the assumption that fuel economy and style both count for something, here's my top 3:
 
* Sonata SE I4: Perhaps the best value in the segment, a fine blend of handling and ride, one of the roomiest interiors and trunks, tons of standard safety equipment, sharp interior and decent exterior, and a peppy but economical I4.
 
* Mazda6 I4: Perhaps the sharpest looks in the segment, good power with decent if not great fuel economy, good blend of ride comfort and handling, lots of standard safety equipment, one of the roomiest interiors and trunks in the class, and lots of equipment available. Also the newest design in the class, so it won't be old very soon.
 
* Accord LX-P: Roomiest interior in the class, great reputation for quality and reliability, good blend of ride and handling, great resale value, peppy engine (EX has a little more power than LX-P) with good fuel economy, BMW-esque exterior, has all the basic features you need, great standard safety features and crash protection.
 
Another interesting choice would be the Passat. You could probably find a closeout 2008 for under $25k. Doesn't have the same reputation for reliability as do cars like the Accord and Sonata, but has great power, handling, build quality, and safety, and VWs tend to hold their value.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [hp6130] by mickeyrom
Sep 14, 2008 (3:44 am)
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Replying to: hp6130 (Mar 20, 2008 10:32 am)

So you eliminated the Sonata...care to say why? I love Sonatas and KIA Optimas,so when someone does not like them I am curious why that is.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [mickeyrom] by moparbad
Sep 14, 2008 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Sep 14, 2008 3:44 am)

Sonata reminds me of a Buick with it's soft suspension, uninspiring handling and soft seats. Sonata is even more Buick-like than Camry.
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Re: help me choose a sedan [nick_22] by oldcem
Sep 14, 2008 (6:56 pm)
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Replying to: nick_22 (Sep 13, 2008 12:42 pm)

I went through this same exercise last March. At it's pricepoint I couldn't find anything that could match Saturn Aura. There's now a black Aura XE3.5 in my driveway. I've put 13K miles on it so far (business travel) and have been very satisfied with the car. It's quiet, roomy, and delivers excellent fuel economy on my long business trips. The performanceof mine (219hp) is about the same as the Ford Fusion 3.0. However, The Aura offers a higher hp V6 (3.6) in the XR Model that's significantly quicker than mine, and, class competitive. Suggest you give it a test drive.
 
Regards:
Oldengineer
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Toyota Camry 2.7L? by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Will the Camry be getting the 2.7L from the Highlander in the 2010 refresh? It'd make sense to me. The current 2.4L is a little lacking based on personal experience with a 2.4L Camry LE. It had to downshift on very modest grades at 60 MPH with three average-weight people aboard.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Sep 15, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 8:32 am)

That's a pretty big 4 cyl motor. With 187hp and 186ft-lbs tq, that's pretty powerful. However, one thing that remains to be seen in FE. With that displacement, I'm a little skeptical.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 15, 2008 8:38 am)

Final mileage ratings are pending, but Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong put preliminary estimates at 20/26 mpg city/highway for a FWD four-cylinder, which is about 10% better than the FWD V-6’s already-decent 18/24 mpg rating. (Memo to Dodge: This unseats the four-cylinder Journey, which gets 19/25 mpg, as segment-best.)
 
20/26 would put it at 2 MPG shy of the RAV4 with the 2.4L. Considering the extra weight here, it doesn't sound like it is that much more thirsty. The RAV is hampered by a 4-speed automatic, but the Highlander is saddled with more weight, so who knows.
 
Question (I'm trying to get the thread stirring again ): What's the benefit of having a 2.7L engine be a 4-cylinder instead of a V6? (Chrysler has a 2.7L V6 now, and not so long ago finding a 2.5L-2.8L V6 was easy)
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [thegraduate] by lucky_777
Sep 15, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 15, 2008 8:32 am)

I'd stay away from new Toyota engine and wouldn't want to be an early adopter. Current 2.4L while not a speed demon, proved itself in terms of durability and FE. It is more then capable for current size Camry. If you need bigger engine in Camry then go for V6, they sell at good discount.
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Re: Toyota Camry 2.7L? [lucky_777] by thegraduate
Sep 15, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: lucky_777 (Sep 15, 2008 8:57 am)

There's not a Camry that fits what I need/want. Compared to my 2.4L Accord, the Camry just feels too darn sleepy; making the Honda feel more like an eager puppy. Aggressive throttle response, tight responses to steering input, a firm and responsive brake pedal, and a quick thinking transmission goes a LONG way in making the Accord feel MUCH happier when you need to hustle. A more happily motivated engine would help the Camry, if not alter its attitude (obviously not everyone wants a sporty car).

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