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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [pat] by m6user
Aug 31, 2008 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 31, 2008 9:19 am)

Tks for everyone's help to my curious question. I feel it's anwered and get the intent even if I can't tell exactly what it's doing without a magnifying glass.
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Edmunds comparo test by mz6greyghost
Sep 08, 2008 (6:48 am)
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Click me!
 
Yes, the Mazda6 finishes first over the Accord and Altima.
 
Check out the overall fuel economy that edmunds got in their tests:
Mazda6: 20 MPG
Accord: 18 MPG
Altima: 17 MPG (on Premium no less).
 
Another surprise is the fact that Mazda is the only one that uses scissor-hinges to keep them out of interfering with trunk space. I knew that the Altima didn't use them, but the Accord as well? Wow. I thought Honda would be better than that.
 
Discuss!
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [mz6greyghost] by maxamillion1
Sep 08, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 08, 2008 6:48 am)

I'm not surprised by the results. The Mazda is the newest sedan in the midsize family so it packs the most features, the highest horsepower and the best handling (which was to be expected from Mazda) so I'm happy that it did so well in the comparison test.
 
The more I look at the new Mazda6 and read reviews on the car, it seems like the new Mazda6 is becoming what the old Accord used to be: A car with sporting intentions with just the right amount of compromises. Handling is best in class, ride falls somewhere in between the chushier Accord and the rougher Altima, the interior has nice materials but isn't as boring lookin inside as the Altima nor as "Star Trek" as the Accords and yet it has the worst EPA ratings of all three cars and comes out on top with observed Fuel economy. I can't remember which poster here begged us not to jump the gun on EPA ratings for the Mazda6 but it appears that he/she might have been right...at least for this comparison test.
 
I only wonder why Edmunds didn't add the Camry SEV6 to the comparison test. I wonder how the results would have turned out?
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [mz6greyghost] by jeffyscott
Sep 08, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 08, 2008 6:48 am)

Surprising that those other cars still use those cheap, intrusive hinges on the trunk. Even the old version of the mazda6 had the unobtrusive hinges and pneumatic lifters.
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [jeffyscott] by gooddeal2
Sep 08, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 08, 2008 7:14 am)

The dashboards of these three cars offer either too little or too much. The Accord EX-L Navi groups its controls for the audio, navigation and ventilation systems in logical places, but there are so many buttons that it requires either thorough pre-flight study or too much on-the-fly attention to navigate the myriad buttons, displays, knobs and dials.
 
That's the reason I hate Accord the most especially the '07.
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [maxamillion1] by backy
Sep 08, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Sep 08, 2008 7:00 am)

I would have liked Edmunds to include the Sonata SE V6 in the comparo, since they haven't tested it yet and it has done well elsewhere, e.g. 2nd in MT's recent 10-car comparo of I4 sedans, where it bested everyone except the Passat.
 
Which begs the question... where was the Passat in Edmunds' comparo? Or the Malibu LTZ?
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [backy] by maxamillion1
Sep 08, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 08, 2008 7:27 am)

The Sonata would have been another good choice for the test as well. I guess since the Malibu came in 3rd place the last go round, Edmunds decided not to compare the car again. Maybe they figured the 6 would slot somewhere between (or in this case) above the last top two sedans compared in the test. That may have been the same reason the Camry was left out of the Comparison test as well. Didnt it come in dead last in the last Edmunds V6 comparison???
 
It really wouldn't make sense to compare the Passat to the other three midsize V6 sedans considering the price of a V6 Passat would put it well into Acura TL territory and the fact that for MY09 the Passat will only be available with the 2.0t four cylinder engine in "Komfort" trim. Using an 08 probably would have been more of a hassle to obtain too. All 09 model Passats will be four cylinders..no more "Turbo", "Lux" or "VR6" models. and no more manual transmissions either
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [gooddeal2] by thegraduate
Sep 08, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: gooddeal2 (Sep 08, 2008 7:24 am)

but there are so many buttons that it requires either thorough pre-flight study or too much on-the-fly attention to navigate the myriad buttons, displays, knobs and dials.
  
That's the reason I hate Accord the most especially the '07.

 
But the 07 model didn't have that many buttons!
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [backy] by aviboy97
Sep 08, 2008 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 08, 2008 7:27 am)

This was a V6 comparo, not an I4 comparo. Maybe that is why it was left out. I have a funny feeling that the performance numbers would have been creamed by all three competitors.
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [aviboy97] by backy
Sep 08, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 08, 2008 7:46 am)

I'm not so sure about that. In the MT comparo, the Passat 2.0T turned in some excellent performance numbers including 0-60 and was far and away the favorite in terms of handling. The Passat doesn't seem to get much print in general in these comparos (except the recent MT one).

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