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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Worldwide standings. [tenpin288] by lilengineerboy
Aug 31, 2008 (5:03 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Aug 30, 2008 6:26 pm)

That is a great article. In graduate school I was very familiar with a lot of the details and requirements that differed between the continents. Each region would have it's own standards.
Part of the issue is the use case for a car is different in the US than in Europe or elsewhere. In Europe, people walk to work *gasp* and are unlikely to drive an hour to get to a Costco or something. It is also one of the reasons EU takes pedestrian crash safety more seriously than the US. A lot of the driving is on rural or urban streets. In the US, people commute over an hour each way to work and don't blink an eye; most of that commute is on ultra-boring low-workload high-speed super-slab. So where cars are driven and why is somewhat different.
Also, in Europe they have ENCAP (I might have the name wrong) that rates safety using a slightly different paradigm than NHTSA or IIHS. Europeans are less fearful of government and legislation than Americans (which is why photo radar is much more prevalent there than in the states).
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Re: Worldwide standings. [tenpin288] by jeffyscott
Aug 31, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Aug 30, 2008 6:26 pm)

Kind of silly that one of the specific "problems" identified is "Europe refused to allow rear turn signals to blink red instead of amber". Sooo...just make them amber, since the US allows amber and EU requires amber.
 
I do agree that the US crash standards should not be designed to protect fools who choose not to wear their seat belt.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [backy] by pat HOST
Aug 31, 2008 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 30, 2008 4:36 pm)

What you are missing, backy, is that "pblt" has represented the mischievous tongue-sticking-out icon across many sites for many years, way beyond this site. It was not defined here. Sorry you don't see the grin, but it's there, just as it is on other sites. Sometimes it's more of a goofy look than a grin, but the intent is always the same - playful, mischievous, fun-poking, that sort of thing.
 
I think we've beaten this subject way beyond any reason now. Time to move on. Thanks for the debate.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [pat] by m6user
Aug 31, 2008 (3:36 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 31, 2008 9:19 am)

Tks for everyone's help to my curious question. I feel it's anwered and get the intent even if I can't tell exactly what it's doing without a magnifying glass.
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Edmunds comparo test by mz6greyghost
Sep 08, 2008 (6:48 am)
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Click me!
 
Yes, the Mazda6 finishes first over the Accord and Altima.
 
Check out the overall fuel economy that edmunds got in their tests:
Mazda6: 20 MPG
Accord: 18 MPG
Altima: 17 MPG (on Premium no less).
 
Another surprise is the fact that Mazda is the only one that uses scissor-hinges to keep them out of interfering with trunk space. I knew that the Altima didn't use them, but the Accord as well? Wow. I thought Honda would be better than that.
 
Discuss!
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [mz6greyghost] by maxamillion1
Sep 08, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 08, 2008 6:48 am)

I'm not surprised by the results. The Mazda is the newest sedan in the midsize family so it packs the most features, the highest horsepower and the best handling (which was to be expected from Mazda) so I'm happy that it did so well in the comparison test.
 
The more I look at the new Mazda6 and read reviews on the car, it seems like the new Mazda6 is becoming what the old Accord used to be: A car with sporting intentions with just the right amount of compromises. Handling is best in class, ride falls somewhere in between the chushier Accord and the rougher Altima, the interior has nice materials but isn't as boring lookin inside as the Altima nor as "Star Trek" as the Accords and yet it has the worst EPA ratings of all three cars and comes out on top with observed Fuel economy. I can't remember which poster here begged us not to jump the gun on EPA ratings for the Mazda6 but it appears that he/she might have been right...at least for this comparison test.
 
I only wonder why Edmunds didn't add the Camry SEV6 to the comparison test. I wonder how the results would have turned out?
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [mz6greyghost] by jeffyscott
Sep 08, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Sep 08, 2008 6:48 am)

Surprising that those other cars still use those cheap, intrusive hinges on the trunk. Even the old version of the mazda6 had the unobtrusive hinges and pneumatic lifters.
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [jeffyscott] by gooddeal2
Sep 08, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 08, 2008 7:14 am)

The dashboards of these three cars offer either too little or too much. The Accord EX-L Navi groups its controls for the audio, navigation and ventilation systems in logical places, but there are so many buttons that it requires either thorough pre-flight study or too much on-the-fly attention to navigate the myriad buttons, displays, knobs and dials.
 
That's the reason I hate Accord the most especially the '07.
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Re: Edmunds comparo test [maxamillion1] by backy
Sep 08, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Sep 08, 2008 7:00 am)

I would have liked Edmunds to include the Sonata SE V6 in the comparo, since they haven't tested it yet and it has done well elsewhere, e.g. 2nd in MT's recent 10-car comparo of I4 sedans, where it bested everyone except the Passat.
 
Which begs the question... where was the Passat in Edmunds' comparo? Or the Malibu LTZ?

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