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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 12:38 pm)

"I haven't read that specifically. Did you read this somewhere or is that an opinion? "
 
http://www.vw.com/vwbuzz/browse/en/us/detail/Volkswagen_Group_of_America_announc- es_it_will_produce_cars_in_Chattanooga/219
 
"Initial production capacity for the facility is anticipated to be 150,000 vehicles, including a new midsize sedan designed specifically for the North American market."
 
Looks like fact to me.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [m6user] by aviboy97
Aug 29, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 7:45 am)

Aviboy is in the business so I have to believe he knows what he's talking about both dealershipwise and at the auctions. But then again he is a car salesman so you have to take everything with a grain of salt.
 
Go to cars.com and enter in a search for zip code "06804" and a search within a 50 mile radius. You will see what I'm talking about. These stinkin Mazda6's (2007's) start at $17,000. There are a bunch around $16,000. Now, if you ask me, that is just NUTS! I don't think they are worth that, however, around here, they do all the money!
 
Now, as I've said, I do go to the auctions and see what these cars demand. Again, NUTS! I don't buy them because if I did, I would have to charge $17,000 just to turn a small profit. Another reason is a customer will always ask "what does a new one go for?"...then they find out you can get a new one for $17,000-$19,000 with incentives and discounts. That is why I don't buy them. Believe me, I wish I could. The demand for pre-owned Mazda6's in my area is HUGE!! I tell my customers straight up that they are too much to buy used, so I don't buy them. It's even worse with the Mazda3's. They go for even more money. So, when you say your friend bought a 2006 Mazda3 s for $14,000, I would say that is a bargain in this area. Again, just NUTS!!!!
 
Just kidding Aviboy!
 
You're lucky I have think skin!
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Re: Worldwide standings. [moveover] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 29, 2008 1:13 pm)

I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily. However, I've read that article before(Jeffyscott posted it earlier in this thread) but I didn't read it to say the new model would be bigger and softer. It did say designed specifically for the NA market. If you read back a few posts you'll see where I said they were designing it for the NA market.
 
But I just was wondering if you knew for a fact that they were going to make it bigger and softer(and bigger and softer than what---the Passat?) or were just making an assumption.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 1:30 pm)

But I just was wondering if you knew for a fact that they were going to make it bigger and softer(and bigger and softer than what---the Passat?) or were just making an assumption
 
Do not know it for a fact, but do know for a fact that the average American is larger (weight wise) than the average European. So for an average American to sit comfortably in a car seat it would need to be bigger and heavier.
I have a feeling it will be closer in size to the Skoda Superb.
 
Don't forget VW never did bring the SWB and smaller engined Phaeton to the US and did have Chrysler build their Minivan instead of using their own European Sharan Van
 
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0805_2009_skoda_superb_first_driv- - - e/index.html
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [aviboy97] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 29, 2008 1:27 pm)

Hey, what is think skin anyway? Is that med thick or semi thin???
 
Also, what does "pblt" mean or the symbol you used.... . I don't text so I may be out of it.
 
Like I said, we need to buy a bunch in Chicago and sell them in your market! You're right. Those numbers are CRAZY.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [moveover] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 29, 2008 1:44 pm)

I agree with Mopar. I really like the different characteristics between the different brands and don't want them to be homogenized. Although, I really don't see much difference in the Japan and Korean cars except the Koreans are just a little behind in finesse. I don't think the cars drive much differently than most of the other Asian cars.
 
I haven't any inkling if VW will bloat or bastardize the handling or feel of their cars but I hope not. I think it would be a mistake for them. However, if they could work out some of the well known kinks with their electrical systems by building them here it would be nice.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 2:20 pm)

Hope history will not repeat itself, VW has a pretty bad record for building factories outside of Germany. The Westmoreland build Rabbits were horrible and the Slovakia build Touraq's are at the bottem of JD Power's list.
 
Btw, our 08 Mazda6 replaced a 2004.5 VW Passat.
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The looks of the Mazda6!!! by heybroder
Aug 29, 2008 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 29, 2008 1:27 pm)

TeeTotally unreal! We stopped into a Mazda Dealer today and had our first hand look at the new '09 Mazda6. They had several on hand. They are the best looking car that I have seen in 38 years! For the money, they are awesome! Mazda will sell a TON of 'em this coming year!!! Thank-you Mazda for such an outstanding job with this car!
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by backy
Aug 29, 2008 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 2:20 pm)

Based on MT's recent comparo, in which the Sonata beat every Japanese mid-sized car tested and the Optima beat some also, it appears the main thing that the Korean mid-sized cars are "behind" in wrt the Japanese cars now is price.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [backy] by elroy5
Aug 29, 2008 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 29, 2008 5:57 pm)

I guess, if you look long and hard enough, you can find a comparison that your favorite did well in . It seems Car&Driver doesn't agree with MT. They had the Sonata in 4th place (behind 1st Accord, 2nd Altima, and 3rd Malibu).

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