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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [jeffyscott] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 29, 2008 5:59 am)

I think your numbers are pretty accurate in my estimation. I am having a hard time believing the numbers from the NE. They just don't make sense. Like I said, maybe we need to haul a bunch up there sell. You would think that in an area of the country where new car prices are so competitive that used prices would follow suit. It's very interesting to hear of this disconnect. between new prices and used.
 
Aviboy is in the business so I have to believe he knows what he's talking about both dealershipwise and at the auctions. But then again he is a car salesman so you have to take everything with a grain of salt.
 
Just kidding Aviboy!
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Re: Used Car prices for mid-size I4 sedans [m6user] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 7:34 pm)

Just talked to a co-worker who bought an used 2006 Mazda3 S last night for $14K with 30K miles. Same engine and similar gas mileage to a Mazda6 i. Did not tell him what I paid for my 2008 Mazda6.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [moveover] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 29, 2008 4:19 am)

I think he combined Kia and Hyundai, but then you would need to combine Nissan/Renault, Ford/Mazda too.
 
Mazda is not a division of Ford. Ford owns a percentage of Mazda and does have influence but they have two different balance sheets. Mecury and Lincoln are reported in the Ford numbers. Kia and Hyundai are divisions of the corp much like Buick/Chevrolet and Ford/Mercury. I'm not sure of the exact relationship of Nissan/Renault.
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Re: Used Car prices for mid-size I4 sedans [moveover] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 29, 2008 8:58 am)

I agree. I think the 07/08 Mazda6 is a steal compared to price and what you get in a Mazda3.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by jeffyscott
Aug 29, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 7:27 am)

It really is kind of amazing that VW is #3, while being such a minor player in the US (1.4% of the U.S. market). They have a lot of room to grow, if they can become more appealing to US consumers, I guess that is why they are buiding a plant here. They will be building a midsize sedan for the US market there.
 
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jAgSQ0VczWzZH7Y-3KCESryj9tigD928D5J80
 
Not sure if that means they will build Passats or if they are going to design a vehicle specifically for the US.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [jeffyscott] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 29, 2008 9:38 am)

Well, they just started putting cupholders in their cars a few years ago! It's no wonder they couldn't get us Americans to buy them. The Germans think that when you drive, you drive and nothing else. I will say they are, by and large, very good, courteous drivers which makes traffic flow very nicely. I've been to Germany about 15 times and learned that they don't put up with stupidity or rudeness.
 
I heard about that new plant and that they plan on building a midsizer. I seem to recall reading something that it may be a specific to N.A. midsize but I can't remember where I read it.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by moparbad
Aug 29, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 29, 2008 9:58 am)

Well, they just started putting cupholders in their cars a few years ago! It's no wonder they couldn't get us Americans to buy them. The Germans think that when you drive, you drive and nothing else.
 
Cup holders are wasted in my car.
 
VW has plans to "Americanize" it's cars and make them bigger, softer, and unique to the U.S..
 
Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai and Mazda have already "Americanized" their midsize cars.
 
I like having a choice of Japanese, German, Korean, etc. identity preserved in the cars offered in North America. Now they are all becoming clones of each other.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [moparbad] by backy
Aug 29, 2008 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 29, 2008 11:22 am)

Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai and Mazda have already "Americanized" their midsize cars.
 
Not so much Hyundai, which offers the same Sonata in the U.S. as is sold in the ROK, but another example is Honda, which designed a version of the Accord just for the NA market.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [backy] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 29, 2008 11:26 am)

" but another example is Honda, which designed a version of the Accord just for the NA market."
 
They still sell the ROW Accord but just call it TSX and charge more for it.
 
Maybe Mazda should do that with their ROW Mazda6 and call it Mazda6
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Re: Worldwide standings. [moparbad] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Aug 29, 2008 11:22 am)

VW has plans to "Americanize" it's cars and make them bigger, softer, and unique to the U.S..
 
I haven't read that specifically. Did you read this somewhere or is that an opinion?

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