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'09 Mazda6 by heybroder
Aug 28, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Don't you all think the new 6s look awesome!? I'm seriously considering buying one sometime in Oct. 272 horse V6: yep yep
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Re: Used Car prices for mid-size I4 sedans [m6user] by moveover
Aug 28, 2008 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 7:34 pm)

I bet that all the 2007's list in that price range are ex rental VE's. Each time when I did see a car listed as a IGT it ended up being a VE. Like
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?recnum=9&leadExists=true&isLeadEnabled=- - true&%3bsearchType=22&tracktype=usedcc&%3bsortorder=ascending&%3blargeNumResults- - PerPage=0&paId=285646742&rowCount=9&%3baff=national&recNumber=9&%3bsortfield=PRI- - CE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending&%3bnumResultsPerPage=50&%3bcertifiedOnly=false&%- - 3bpageNumber=0&%3bcriteria=K-2007%7cE-ANY%7cM-_30_%7cH-%7cD-_6988_%7cN-N%7cR-30%- - 7cI-1%2c7%7cP-PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending%7cQ-ascending%7cX-popular%7cZ-2- - 0705&aff=national
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Re: Used Car prices for mid-size I4 sedans [moveover] by m6user
Aug 28, 2008 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 28, 2008 7:48 pm)

I bet that all the 2007's list in that price range are ex rental VE's
 
No, as I looked threw them it was a smattering of all types and all kinds of miles. I know what you mean though, there was probably a good number ex-rentals but certainly not close to all.
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Worldwide standings. by m6user
Aug 28, 2008 (8:02 pm)
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Hyundai has surpassed Honda to take the world's 4th largest auto company rank. VW just passed Ford to become the 3rd largest. I think GM and Toyota are taking turns now at 1 & 2.
 
1. GM
2. Toyota
3. VW
4. Hyundai/Kia
5. Honda
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by tallman1
Aug 28, 2008 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 8:02 pm)

If "VW just passed Ford to become the 3rd largest," shouldn't Ford be listed as #4??
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by moveover
Aug 28, 2008 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 8:02 pm)

1. GM
2. Toyota
3. VW
4. Hyundai/Kia
5. Honda

 
Doesn't look right, were is Ford ? and Nissan/Renault Peugeot/Citroen
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Re: Worldwide standings. [m6user] by graphicguy
Aug 29, 2008 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 8:02 pm)

Where did you get those rankings? Can you give unit numbers for the manufacturers? Just curious because that ranking doesn't look right.
 
My understanding is it's....
 
1. GM
2. Toyota
3. Honda
4. Ford
5. Nissan
 
I have no idea where Hyundai is ranked, but I don't think it was anywhere near the top 5.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [graphicguy] by moveover
Aug 29, 2008 (4:19 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Aug 29, 2008 4:08 am)

I think he combined Kia and Hyundai, but then you would need to combine Nissan/Renault, Ford/Mazda too.
You listed sales for US only, his one was worldwide which put VW in 3rd and Ford in 4th. Here are the numbers for 2007:
 
http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/world-ranking-2007.pdf
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [m6user] by jeffyscott
Aug 29, 2008 (5:59 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 2:50 pm)

I just went on Cars.com and pulled up used Mazda6s for sale in Chicago area and the majority of the the 07s with similar mileage have asking prices of around $14,900. I assume those prices are negotiated down to something between $13k and $14k. Even if it's $13k---that's not bad 1st year depreciation from $16500.
 
Actually we are talking about nearly 2 years depreciation on the 07's now, since 09's are out...especially for the lower priced ones as they generally have 20-40K mi.
 
Did the same for my Milwaukee location, lowest prices are just under $14K. Of course, trade in value or private party sale price would be less than dealer retail. If they are selling for $13-14K with 20-40K mi, would average trade maybe be $11-12K and private party $12-13K?
 
If KBB and edmunds are to be believed, I could trade in for 80-90% of what I paid (I have low miles on my 07). The 4 cyl factor may be big...I just changed my car to a Mazda6s and the KBB trade in only went up about $300 (edmunds disagrees and adds nearly $2k for the the V6, which I think was about the price difference when new).
 
For comparison, I looked at the cars typically known as the low depreciation leaders. The 2007 Camrys with 20-40K are listed at around $17K and up and Accords at $16K and up. Since these probably sold new for $2-3K more than the Mazda6, I'd guess there was little difference among them in depreciation from actual selling prices.
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Re: Worldwide standings. [tallman1] by m6user
Aug 29, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: tallman1 (Aug 28, 2008 8:11 pm)

My mistake. I wasn't copying anything I just typed it in and obviously I got confused. I was pulling from two different sources and didn't connect the dots well. Sorry for confusion.n I think it should be:
 
1. GM
2. Toyota
3. VW
4. Ford
5. Hyundai
6. Honda
The following was from Autoblog.com
While Toyota and General Motors continue to duke it out for first place among the world's largest automakers, the lower rungs have been equally hotly contested. It came as a shock to many that Hyundai-Kia had surpassed Honda to take the Number 5 spot, but if you think the battle is being waged purely between the Far East and North America
 
The following was from Motor Trend
The reports are in, and Volkswagen has officially overtaken Ford as the number three automaker in the world. Volkswagen announced today that its sales-to-date in 2008 were 3.31 million vehicles globally, well ahead of Ford's 3.22 million.

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