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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [m6user] by jeffyscott
Aug 28, 2008 (11:33 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 11:16 am)

Hertz is like carmax, their web site says:
 
With our low fixed prices you have the advantage. You get all the value and savings without the aggravation of pushy salesmen and high-price negotiations.
 
http://www.hertzcarsales.com/advantages/advantage.jsp
 
I see $14-15K on their site, only lists cars in CA and HI, but still...
 
They probably figure people will be comparing them to the 2009 model, so selling them for probably about what they paid might just work. It is nuts, though...I've only got 13K on my 2007, maybe I can sell for more than the $16K that I paid .
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [m6user] by backy
Aug 28, 2008 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 11:30 am)

Maybe because fewer Camry shoppers/owners visit sites like Edmunds.com? Who needs to visit sites like this to do research etc. when the decision is a foregone conclusion? Just a thought...
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [backy] by m6user
Aug 28, 2008 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 28, 2008 11:36 am)

You might be right. Although the Camry forums seem to be pretty active. Maybe they figure that what more is there to say about a Camry. Actually, I think Camrys are good cars and I refuse to slam them just because there's so many of them. IMHO they have slid some in quality in recent years(both material and build) but are still very competitive. I really believe some people just can't stand them because they have been #1 for so long. It's more fun rooting for the underdog.
 
Hey, maybe that's why the Sonata owners offer more reviews....they are sticking up for the underdog!
 
Any psychologists think that may be the answer?
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [m6user] by backy
Aug 28, 2008 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 12:06 pm)

The Camry is a good car, definitely. But look to the right--there's LOTS of "good cars" there. That's not enough any more to stand out in this class. Reliability? Others have good records there too. I would have no problem putting my family into a Camry.... IF it were in the same price ballpark as solid options like the Fulan, Mazda6, Optima, and Sonata. I'm just not willing to pay extra for the Camry, especially since it is deficient in some areas e.g. handling, and interior/exterior design, compared to others in this class.
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [backy] by mickeyrom
Aug 28, 2008 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 28, 2008 12:25 pm)

Hey Backy,fancy meeting you here.Where do you live,and what do you own?
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [mickeyrom] by backy
Aug 28, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 28, 2008 1:08 pm)

Twin Cities. Elantra GT, Mazda 626, Mazda MPV. And soon one more... TBD.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [m6user] by moveover
Aug 28, 2008 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 11:16 am)

Just look at the Carmax site, they are selling a 2007 Mazda6 I Sport, (not VE) with 20k for $17.7 stock #: 5366031 Rebates might effect resale value, but those rebates might be gone next year. i.e. don't think the 2009 will have a rebate. Not every one is hanging out at these forums looking at prices paid Even Mickeyrom admitted he might have paid too much for his Optima.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [moveover] by m6user
Aug 28, 2008 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: moveover (Aug 28, 2008 1:58 pm)

I hear you on the 09s however I think auto sales are in the tank so bad the manufacturers may have to do things that they normally wouldn't do in the past. It wouldn't shock me to see rebates on the 09 Mazda6 by Jan/Feb timeframe. Lots of other cars in the annual car shows will start to take center stage and Mazda just may have to sell some cars.
 
It would be really interesting to see the actual prices these cars eventually go for. That price is $1200 more than I paid for my 07 and I have 17,000 miles. I understand Carmax is a no negotiation place but that doesn't mean they never lower there stated prices. I have yet to hear somebody report or chime in "OMG I didn't know these things sold for $16500 new...I just paid $17,700 for one with 20k on it".
 
I just went on Cars.com and pulled up used Mazda6s for sale in Chicago area and the majority of the the 07s with similar mileage have asking prices of around $14,900. I assume those prices are negotiated down to something between $13k and $14k. Even if it's $13k---that's not bad 1st year depreciation from $16500. That's 21% and lots of cars suffer that or more depreciation in the first year. Now if you're talking off of original MSRP, it's closer to 38% but nobody paid MSRP.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [m6user] by aviboy97
Aug 28, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 28, 2008 11:16 am)

"I don't doubt that Hertz is asking that much for them but I would highly doubt they are getting close to those prices. "
 
Oh, they are getting those prices. That is about the prices at the auctions as well. Crazy huh??? So much for crappy resale....
 
I just passed on a 2004 Mazda6 i Sport (spoiler, fog lights, side skirts, sport front and rear bumpers) with leather / moon roof / Bose Audio / automatic with 53,000 on the clock for $12,500 at the auction!
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Re: Why so many Sonata reviews? [backy] by mickeyrom
Aug 28, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 28, 2008 1:46 pm)

What is a TBD? You should watch "Car Crazy" on the speed channel.Or better yet watch the hour long "Top Gear" on BBC America.It's a great show for people who like cars.You must be a "car guy" like me.Just like em for some silly reason.

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