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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [micro99] by mickeyrom
Aug 25, 2008 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: micro99 (Aug 23, 2008 11:10 am)

Odd that I got no notification of your post,but did of the last one.There seems to be a common problem with this site.....ANYWAY....I started this thread because nobody else seemes to. As far as sporty handling..well,this car was not designed for Le Mans, but for driving in town or the interstate highways. I have ridden many miles in my friends Jag, about the same size car,and find the Optima's ride superior although there is a bit more lean on curves. Of course my car cost about a third of the price of the Jag.It also has all the conveniences and gets them as standard equipment.It lacks only the wood trim and the big price and of course the snob value.I have over 20K miles now on my Optima EX so It is pretty well broken in.I have NEVER owned a car that was as trouble free during the first 20,000 miles.
New cars that I have owned are 1967 Plymouth Belvedere,1968 Plymouth Beledere,1969 Chevy Towmsman,1970Ford LTD,1971 Chrysler,1973 Plymouth Sebring,1980 Toyota,1986 VW Jetta,1994 Plymouth Voyager and last the 1997 Chrysler Town & Country LXi,which was my "dream" car and I still own.None of these came close to the quality level of trim, or reliability of the KIA I own now.Of course,only time will tell if it will last as well as my MOPARS which were the best of the ones I owned in the past.The only two that I owned which I kept for over 140K miles were the 1994 Voyager and my Town and Country.So far, I give the KIA a solid 10 rating,and I never could have given that good a grade before.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by pat HOST
Aug 25, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 25, 2008 5:29 am)

I got no notification of your post
 
I assume you are talking about an email? If you are signed up for email notifications for any one discussion, you get one email when the first new message is posted since you last read the topic. You won't get another one until you've read the topic again, no matter how many posts are made. (And of course you have to read the topic logged in so that the system knows you've read it.)
 
Does that make sense?
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by oldcem
Aug 25, 2008 (8:02 pm)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 25, 2008 5:29 am)

I currently own one of the Jags you speak of and have driven Kia Optima rentals as well. You neglected to mention that the Jag is all-wheel drive, and, is far more capable in foul weather than the Kia is. Don't know what your friend paid for his Jag, but, mine in 06 cost me about the same as a comparably equipped Honda Accord, even with my 100K extended factory warranty. Enjoy your Kia, but, drive your friend's Jag in a snowstorm/ heavy rain sometime.
 
Regards:
OldCEM
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Re: reliability rating [bobgwtw] by plekto
Aug 26, 2008 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Aug 22, 2008 7:34 pm)


I take issue with your conclusions abour reliability ratings. To start with, if you look at the consumers report ratings, they report problems by model year; and very few 1 or 2, year old cars are used. The J. D. powers IQ survey rates new cars during the 1st 90 DAYS OF OWNERSHIP. So, yeah, the surverys tend to be a pretty darn indicator of reliability.

 
I wasn't talking about JD powers but how people in general view a maker's reliability. There's more than a few people for instance that insist that a BMW is best leased since there are a plethora of ills that they suffer at 8-12 years. While they may do okay during the first few years, this "beware of a used one" reputation that they have with the general public really affects their overall image.
 
VW is hardly any different. For some reason the things just don't wear very well as they age.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [jeffyscott] by mickeyrom
Aug 26, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 23, 2008 8:21 am)

If you think the Optima has a soft ride,you must drive a Vette. It is anything but.I actually wish it was a little softer.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [pat] by mickeyrom
Aug 26, 2008 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 25, 2008 6:28 am)

I read the posts every time I am notified of a reply to the subject .I get some e mail notification,but only intermitently.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [micro99] by mickeyrom
Aug 26, 2008 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: micro99 (Aug 23, 2008 11:10 am)

Thanks...it really is amazing how much distain,almost hatred the humble Optima can attract.I think it's funny.I had no idea,it's like a Sox poster on the Cub forum.I stand by my comments,and I did not like this car as well as I do now after the first 900 miles,but once you get familiar with the Optima, and see it's good qualities,I think it is as good as almost any car in it's class.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by m6user
Aug 26, 2008 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 26, 2008 6:14 pm)

A couple of people didn't care for the Optima and all of a sudden there is overall disdain....even hatred???? That's quite a chip to be carrying on one's shoulder.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by pat HOST
Aug 27, 2008 (4:22 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 26, 2008 6:08 pm)

The email notifications are by individual discussions, not by a message subject within a discussion. As I said, you will only get an email notification for the first unread message posted in the discussion where you requested email notifications. After you have logged in and read that message, you will get an email notification for the next new message.
 
Let's say a new message is posted after you have read all the messages in the discussion. You will get an email notification for that message. But let's say you do not log in and read that message right away and then ten more new messages are posted before you get there. You will not receive notifications for each of those since you've not yet read the first one about which you were notified. So when you get to the discussion, you will have had one email notification about the first of the eleven new messages waiting for you. (And again, this is regardless of subject line, it applies to all new messages in the discussion.)
 
Is that clearer? The bottom line is that it may appear to be intermittent, but there is a method and a reason for it, honest! Understanding how it works is the best way to make it work for you instead of just confusing you.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by backy
Aug 27, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 26, 2008 6:14 pm)

Looking at it from an outsider's viewpoint, MT recently reviewed 10 cars in this class and ranked the Optima 6th overall. A decent showing for a car that is (incredibly) one of the oldest designs in the class now. It was topped by the Passat (which costs a LOT more and has a lot more power), the 2009 Sonata SE (which benefits from mid-gen improvements, many of which the Optima receives for 2009), the Accord, and two others that I don't specifically recall offhand but maybe they were the Camry and Fusion SEL. So is Optima best-in-class? Likely not. But is it a capable, pleasant, quality mid-sized sedan available at a bargain price? Definitely. For those (like me) who have no need to drive a car that others consider best-in-class if it meets my needs, the Optima is a fine choice.

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