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Re: reliability rating [m6user] by jeffyscott
Aug 23, 2008 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Aug 23, 2008 7:26 am)

One more interuption to the regularly scheduled program...
 
I probably have already mentioned this, but since you are actually shopping and hearing all the of all the VW horrors...Don't fear the Jetta, reliability of the new version, with 2.5 engine, has been average or above according to CR.
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Re: reliability rating [jeffyscott] by m6user
Aug 23, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 23, 2008 7:41 am)

Don't fear the Jetta,
 
I don't. I have had three VWs albeit it was quite some time ago but I liked each one....did have a few issues but nothing totally out of the ordinary.
 
If you look on whole scheme of things, the average person who is pretty satisfied with a car might state so once and you never hear from them again. The person that takes everything personally and gets a lemon will go on and on and on and on like the energizer bunny. They could have had a bad experience 10 or 20 years ago and still be bad mouthing the brand. Some people have only owned two or three cars in their life but they are experts because they read a lot of car magazine reviews. Like I said before, if VW was that bad then they have one hell of a lot of first time buyers out there worldwide.
 
I've come to realize that everything you read or hear has to be weighed carefully as to legitimacy....especially magazine road tests.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [jeffyscott] by elroy5
Aug 23, 2008 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 23, 2008 7:32 am)

My sister has an 06 Optima, and she said it's comparable to her previous 2001 Camry. She says it doesn't measure up to to the last two generations of Camry or Accord. Basically, according to her, it's two generations behind the class leaders. She said the seats were not padded well (cloth), so I sat in the driver's seat, and it felt like the seats in my 92 Sentra (not enough padding, and weak springs). Maybe the leather seats are better? She said it was a couple thousand dollars cheaper than an 06 Camry or Accord, so for the money, she's somewhat satisfied with what she got. You get what you pay for.
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Re: reliability rating [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Aug 23, 2008 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 23, 2008 6:37 am)

My goodness - I had no idea my comments would get so many replies!
 
Just an FYI: my comments regarding the Camry were just made to illustrate the difference in a car whose high-point is its engine, versus the Jetta, whose wasn't in 2007.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [elroy5] by jeffyscott
Aug 23, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 23, 2008 8:13 am)

Just to be clear, my comments comparing the Optima handling to a Camry, were not meant to be complimentary to either model. Optima, to me has vague steering and is more concerned with giving passengers a soft ride and quiet isolation than handling.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [jeffyscott] by elroy5
Aug 23, 2008 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 23, 2008 8:21 am)

My sister has no opinion on handling. She's an A to B person, not an enthusiast. She was just commenting on the overall quality of the Optima.
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Re: reliability rating [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Aug 23, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 23, 2008 8:14 am)

I don't think it was you who made the direct comparison to the Camry. I was commenting on someone else.
 
Don't you feel special what everyone wants to rip apart your posts?
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [jeffyscott] by backy
Aug 23, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 23, 2008 7:32 am)

"Handles like a Jag"...please, like a Camry, maybe.
 
FWIW, every professional review I've read of the Optima vs. Camry, including C/D and MT, said that the Optima handles better than the Camry. That has been my impression also.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [elroy5] by backy
Aug 23, 2008 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 23, 2008 8:13 am)

FYI the 2006 Optima is a totally different car than the current-gen Optima, which debuted in mid-2006 as a 2006.5 model. The 2006 was a 1999-2005 Sonata with styling and interior differences. So the comparison to the 2001 Camry is about right, since they come from the same era.
 
Have you driven or even looked closely at the current Optima?
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [elroy5] by jeffyscott
Aug 23, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Aug 23, 2008 8:28 am)

My sister has no opinion on handling.
 
Right and that is fine.
 
I just wanted to be clear that I was not saying that the Optima is as good, overall, as a Camry, rather I was only saying that the handling is probably as bad as one (to me).
 
I have no opinion on an overall comparison of the two models as neither has any appeal to me.

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