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Re: reliability rating [pengwin] by thegraduate
Aug 22, 2008 (9:54 pm)
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Replying to: pengwin (Aug 22, 2008 6:58 pm)

Loved the transmission in it, is it a DSG?
 
Nope; simply a manumatic, like the one in the Sonata, Camry, Altima, etc... offer.
 
I was at enterprise a few weeks a go and i got a 2007 VW Jetta with ~37k miles. Good amount of power, windows worked, dash wasn't lighted up like a Christmas tree, served me well for the trip.
 
Let's hope; 37,000 miles isn't far past broken-in!
 
Bottom line, this car was a rental car, abused as much as possible but everything still worked.
 
If you had a rental Mustang, I might agree. We're talking about one of VW's economy cars though, not exactly what people wanting flog a car will leap for (I'll be 21 Sunday and the Jetta with that grunting engine would be down the list of vehicles I'd choose despite how much I like the handling and the interior). With gas prices being what they are these days (and they were last year too), people will remember that they have to fill up the car at the end of the trip, too!
 
edit. come to think about it, it has a wonderful engine, great for passing
 
That Jetta had 150hp and gets 19/28 MPG (which is what Toyota's Camry gets with 268 horses). I'd say the engine is one of the biggest demerits against the car. The one pro: it is torquey; good around town, but a relative dog when merging/passing. Not trying to start something here, just expressing a VERY strong disagreement. Hey, different strokes for different folks, right?
 
Something to note, the newer Jettas do have a power bump (to 170hp I believe) with better economy as well (still not great for its size and power, though) to 21/29.
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Re: reliability rating [thegraduate] by pengwin
Aug 23, 2008 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 22, 2008 9:54 pm)

i've also driven the camry, it just doesnt have that sense of speed also it feels like im in a boat.
 
back on topic though, i saw everyone complaining about how VW's break down in 2 months and rental car's are not babied at all yet everything was still working.
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Re: reliability rating [pengwin] by aviboy97
Aug 23, 2008 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: pengwin (Aug 22, 2008 6:58 pm)

No one here says that VW's don't drive nice, because it's quite the contrary. VW's are fun to drive. There's no doubt about that. Historically, they just become such a head ache out of warranty, as many here can attest too. As always, there are those who have not been burned by them.
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Some compliments to the KIA Optima by mickeyrom
Aug 23, 2008 (5:14 am)
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This car has gotten very little ink on this thread,so I am here to sing it's praises.I have had mine since Nov of 2006 and it's running great! It's a 2006.5 model which actually is a 2007. It handles as well as a Jag,gets good mileage on the highway,is comfortable and has a very nice stereo.I think it's the best kept secret in the car world.
Although the car has been trouble free,my 100 K mile waranty on the power train lets me relax, and sleep easy.All around waranty is 50K or 6 years(or is it 60K and 5 years?) I forget,lol.
Next time you're renting a car,try an Optima,you just might like it.
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Re: reliability rating [pengwin] by m6user
Aug 23, 2008 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: pengwin (Aug 23, 2008 4:56 am)

If you had a rental Mustang, I might agree. We're talking about one of VW's economy cars though, not exactly what people wanting flog a car will leap for (I'll be 21 Sunday and the Jetta with that grunting engine would be do
 
He didn't say flog, he said abused. There is a difference. You're pretty young so I don't imagine you've had a lot of experience with rentals. Take it from me, rental cars get abused from day one in their life.
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Re: reliability rating [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Aug 23, 2008 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 22, 2008 9:54 pm)

If you had a rental Mustang, I might agree. We're talking about one of VW's economy cars though, not exactly what people wanting flog a car will leap for (I'll be 21 Sunday and the Jetta with that grunting engine would be down the list of vehicles I'd choose despite how much I like the handling and the interior). With gas prices being what they are these days (and they were last year too), people will remember that they have to fill up the car at the end of the trip, too!
 
Eh, remarkably not the typical case. I worked across the street from the rental return place and the condition of the vehicles getting returned was dismaying. Also, the rental car company drivers that take the car from the return, run in through an automated car wash, and then drop it off on the front line again beat on the vehicles at least as bad as any customer. It has nothing to do with the type of car, it has to do with "its not MY car."
 
That Jetta had 150hp and gets 19/28 MPG (which is what Toyota's Camry gets with 268 horses). I'd say the engine is one of the biggest demerits against the car. The one pro: it is torquey; good around town, but a relative dog when merging/passing. Not trying to start something here, just expressing a VERY strong disagreement. Hey, different strokes for different folks, right?
 
As you later noted, the inline 5 is 170hp, the 2.0l turbo is 200 hp. The Jetta beat the Camry in ever handling performance measure. In fact, the only non-power related test it lost was braking with 60-0 in 134' while the class leaders are around 120 feet.
 
Subjectively, it lacks the feeling that you are driving a rolling mortuary.
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Re: reliability rating [lilengineerboy] by aviboy97
Aug 23, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Aug 23, 2008 5:20 am)

The Jetta is not in the same class as the Camry. The Jetta is a compact car and really just a sedan version on the Rabbit. The Jetta really compares to a Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic and Mazda3.
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Re: reliability rating [aviboy97] by lilengineerboy
Aug 23, 2008 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 23, 2008 6:37 am)

The Jetta is not in the same class as the Camry. The Jetta is a compact car and really just a sedan version on the Rabbit. The Jetta really compares to a Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic and Mazda3
 
I didn't make the original comparison. But to your point, it spanks the Corolla, ties the Civic EX, and loses to the handling champ Mazda3.
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Re: reliability rating [aviboy97] by m6user
Aug 23, 2008 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 23, 2008 6:37 am)

I agree that most people classify the Jetta as a compact as does the EPA. However, there are a lot of cars on the EPA midsize list we don't discuss either. I am currently cross shopping the Jetta with other midsize autos. Why? Because it has a huge trunk about the same size as the 09 Mazda6, it has the same HP as the 09 Mazda6, it costs about the same similarly equipped to the Mazda6 and about $3000 more than the Mazda3. It weighs about the same as a 6, 400 more lbs than the 3.
 
To me the Passat seems huge and bulky and the Jetta reminds me a lot of the 1st gen 6. I guess you could call it a "tweener" in my opinion. Kind of like the Elantra and others.
 
But you're right. We have to draw the line somewhere so let's get back to discussing midsize vehicles.
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Re: Some compliments to the KIA Optima [mickeyrom] by jeffyscott
Aug 23, 2008 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 23, 2008 5:14 am)

Next time you're renting a car,try an Optima,you just might like it.
 
On the contrary, I posted a couple weeks ago about having had one for a week as a rental and my conclusion was if they ever try to put me in one again, I'll beg them to please find something else.
 
"Handles like a Jag"...please, like a Camry, maybe.

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