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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by captain2
Aug 14, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:56 am)

Mazda has changed the target audience
going to be very tough sell - this is where the big boys play
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by madpistol
Aug 14, 2008 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:56 am)

A lot of car manufacturers are starting to realize that the real money is coming from the 30-50+ group. Thus, they are rethinking the way they make their cars to make them standout among that crowd. Unfortunately, the younger crowd is left with bland choices or smaller, sportier cars that cost less. The problem is that the power given off by those cars is not inline with the current midsize sedan offerings, especially in the V6 department. The younger audience gets screwed, but that's the way it is. It's sort of funny though because the people at college that seem to get the most respect among their peers are those who drive sensible compact/midsize sedans.
 
To each their own. I prepared for the future by getting a sensible, midsize sedan. Thank goodness I didn't buy a Mustang.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by aviboy97
Aug 14, 2008 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 8:26 am)

The new Mazda6 is a "big boys" car. The vehicle itself is a more then capable alternative to the Altima / Accord / Camry. The build quality is simply fantastic, and choice materials are simply better then the Camry and Altima. The interior is far more user friendly then the Accord. The Mazda6 is also far more refined then the previous model. With more power and better FE, there is not a single doubt that the Mazda6 is many ways can be observed as better then the competition. Not to mention, it still drives like a Mazda. I believe a member here, mz6greyghost, owns a 2007 Altima and has checked out the 09 6 and he claimed it's better.
 
Now, the kicker is marketing and repeat Mazda6 gen-1 buyers. Look for the first advertisements in early September. Accord to Mazda, they have spent $$$$$ on the ad campaign. If they sell the target numbers of 100K, the car is a total success, and Mazda did it's job.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by akirby
Aug 14, 2008 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 9:02 am)

And you can expect the 2010 Fusion (due out in 5 months) to be more of the same. The field is getting tighter and tighter.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by captain2
Aug 14, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 9:02 am)

The new Mazda6 is a "big boys" car
and on a spec sheet etc. it may be - but market perception and acceptance are something else entirely. 100k units isn't 300k,400k, or 500k .The Camcordimas sell a million+ copies a year, Mazda volume has never been anything more than a blip on the radar. Not that it can't be done, the Altima wasn't viewed as a viable Camcord alternate until the 02 redesign. However, it would seem more likely that the new Malibu or even the continually evolving Sonata would have the best chances at this kind of 'significance' - well before the Fusion and/or the 6.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by thegraduate
Aug 14, 2008 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 7:47 am)

this - I find interesting given your age - so young to be so practical! The VW (assume we're talking the Passat here,) while certainly more expensive does offer a much better driving dynamic as well as 'better' engine choices than any Ford. The 3.6 V6 is an engine that rivals the Toyota and Nissan V6s in many respects
 
I'm a VERY practical person (almost to a fault). The Passat, to me, is overpriced for what you get, as others have mentioned. VW priced themselves out of my shopping list. Maintenance cost and having notably poor customer service are the nails in the coffin.
 
As far as engines go, I have the sweet 2.4L from the Accord's lighter days (2006 model) and love its flexibility. I have also had lots of behind the wheel time in a Taurus SEL FWD with the new 3.5L in it; and engine which I think is underrated (not techincally) by a lot of people. It doesn't stand out against the other 3.5-ish liter engines here, but it is certainly competitive in every way as far as I'm concerned.
 
When Ford puts the 2.5L in the Fusion, and maybe upgrades the interior, it'll be on my short list.
 
For the record, I keep a list of cars I'd consider if I were shopping today. I have no plans in the next few years to go car shopping, though, so all the models out right now will probably be drastically different when it is my turn to buy!
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by aviboy97
Aug 14, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 10:14 am)

Right now, Mazda only sells 250-300K units TOTAL as a company. They do no have the capacity to sell 300K of one car. The Mazda3 sells about 100K units a year, and Mazda just cannot make any more, and yet the Mazda3 is considered a class leader by many and has been a corner stone in the newer Mazda vehicles. Remember when no one though it was possible to build a better car then the Corolla or Civic? Yet, many think the Mazda3 is far superior and sells far less then 1/2 the volume.
 
If the Mazda6 sold on that level, and achieved the praise that the Mazda3 has gotten, then the Mazda6 is a smash hit. In my opinion, the Mazda6 is way better then the Camry and Accord. I have not driven the Altima.
 
The Mazda6 does not need to sell 300K to be competitive.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [thegraduate] by baggs32
Aug 14, 2008 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 14, 2008 12:20 pm)

When Ford puts the 2.5L in the Fusion, and maybe upgrades the interior, it'll be on my short list.
 
Soon grad, soon. The barely camoed 2010 Fusion in the pics below appears to be equipped with the 2.5L I4. A hybrid most likely will have the single exhaust too, but I doubt it will have those big ol' wheels.
 
2010 Ford Fusion Pics
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Re: Mazda6 revs [baggs32] by igozoomzoom
Aug 14, 2008 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Aug 14, 2008 4:42 pm)

I was expecting the 2.5L in the 2009 Fusion, but it isn't coming until the 'freshened' 2010 model. Thankfully, the 2010 model is slated to arrived in January 2009, so the wait isn't another full year.
 
I just have two items on my wish list for the 2010 model (and I will most likely be ordering an SE to my exact specifications)-
 
1) I hope the Sport Appearance Package (SAP) will be an option on the 2010 model. The wheels and interior accents make the Fusion even more unique and sporty while still looking very tasteful.
 
2) A 'manu-matic' type shifter or any improvement over the current automatic shifter with only 'D' and 'L' positions available.

 
A heated CLOTH seats option would be awesome, too....but I'm not holding my breath on that one...
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by jeffyscott
Aug 15, 2008 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:56 am)

Mazda has targeted the 40-55 yr old crowd with the new 6. A lot of current owners are not too happy about this. I on the other hand happen to really like it, even though I'm 28.
 
Meanwhile, I'm right there in the middle of your purported target age range and am inclined to dislike the new Mazda6...or at least to prefer the old one (only based on what it looks like in photos and what I have read).

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