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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by thegraduate
Aug 14, 2008 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 5:44 am)

If Ford is going to claim the efficiencies of an automatically shifted manual tranny - would suggest they look to VW as well as the Italians for advice in how to do it.....
 
Yes, because we know VW builds high-quality and long-lasting pieces of equipment!
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Re: Mazda6 revs [thegraduate] by captain2
Aug 14, 2008 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 14, 2008 6:16 am)

point taken, grad but I think you'll find that VWs problems are not really related too much to the DSG but more towards the engine and electonic side of things and even those have improved recently. Haven't driven a DSG equipped VW or Audi yet but by all reports these things will shift ''better" than you or I could do it ourselves.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by thegraduate
Aug 14, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 6:53 am)

Still, if I'm having to choose between a Ford and a VW, I'd actually take the Ford. I could afford to keep it 150k a lot better than I could the VW, based on how well the new Ford sedans have been doing.
 
I'm a worrier, and no matter how much more fun the VW would be, the Ford wouldn't make me nervous on a long trip. After seeing two different friends of the family with VWs (2001, 2004) and how they both have POOR reliability, I wouldn't touch one for many years; not with my checkbook, anyway.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Aug 14, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 14, 2008 7:04 am)

I will second that.
 
Many reports have shown Ford making a drastic improvement in dependability. Even CR recommends all of their sedans now. For has also taken a huge step in the interior quality of their vehicles. I drove a Flex today at my Ford store, and while I did not care for the vehicle its self (style or ride), the build quality and materials used were very very good.
 
I think Ford is really about to take off once their Euro designs go on sale here in the U.S.. They wont be in dire straights for too much longer.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Aug 14, 2008 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:14 am)

They'd be my first choice of American sedan. Not trucks or economy car, but for me (21 years old [read: cheap] yet 6'5") a midsize sedan is about as small as I will go, and a truck just costs too much to fill up. If the Fusion steps up in FE and power like expected, they could be near the top of my list!
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Re: Mazda6 revs [thegraduate] by captain2
Aug 14, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 14, 2008 7:04 am)

if I'm having to choose between a Ford and a VW, I'd actually take the Ford.
this - I find interesting given your age - so young to be so practical! The VW (assume we're talking the Passat here,) while certainly more expensive does offer a much better driving dynamic as well as 'better' engine choices than any Ford. The 3.6 V6 is an engine that rivals the Toyota and Nissan V6s in many respects while the only car in this group that could even pretend to 'feel' like a Passat is probably the Mazda6- another car that is geared toward the younger buyer. Not that many years ago VW had a rep for making reliable cars - how things can change.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by aviboy97
Aug 14, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 7:47 am)

I think I remember a time when the Volkswagen really meant "the peoples car" and was geared towards the young buyer. With the way they have gone up in price and cost of ownership, it's very tough to afford one if you are young. The Passat for all intents and purposes is a rebadged A4. The 3.6 Passat cost's just as much as an Audi too. The Golf (Rabbit) and Jetta are really the only cars that the young people still look at.
 
As in regards to the Mazda6 as being a young persons cars, Mazda has changed the target audience. Mazda has targeted the 40-55 yr old crowd with the new 6. A lot of current owners are not too happy about this. I on the other hand happen to really like it, even though I'm 28. I really think it's a much superior product then the 1st gen, and I also think it handles just as well. I'm still getting used to the overall size. It is much much bigger.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by captain2
Aug 14, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:56 am)

Mazda has changed the target audience
going to be very tough sell - this is where the big boys play
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Re: Mazda6 revs [aviboy97] by madpistol
Aug 14, 2008 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 14, 2008 7:56 am)

A lot of car manufacturers are starting to realize that the real money is coming from the 30-50+ group. Thus, they are rethinking the way they make their cars to make them standout among that crowd. Unfortunately, the younger crowd is left with bland choices or smaller, sportier cars that cost less. The problem is that the power given off by those cars is not inline with the current midsize sedan offerings, especially in the V6 department. The younger audience gets screwed, but that's the way it is. It's sort of funny though because the people at college that seem to get the most respect among their peers are those who drive sensible compact/midsize sedans.
 
To each their own. I prepared for the future by getting a sensible, midsize sedan. Thank goodness I didn't buy a Mustang.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by aviboy97
Aug 14, 2008 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 14, 2008 8:26 am)

The new Mazda6 is a "big boys" car. The vehicle itself is a more then capable alternative to the Altima / Accord / Camry. The build quality is simply fantastic, and choice materials are simply better then the Camry and Altima. The interior is far more user friendly then the Accord. The Mazda6 is also far more refined then the previous model. With more power and better FE, there is not a single doubt that the Mazda6 is many ways can be observed as better then the competition. Not to mention, it still drives like a Mazda. I believe a member here, mz6greyghost, owns a 2007 Altima and has checked out the 09 6 and he claimed it's better.
 
Now, the kicker is marketing and repeat Mazda6 gen-1 buyers. Look for the first advertisements in early September. Accord to Mazda, they have spent $$$$$ on the ad campaign. If they sell the target numbers of 100K, the car is a total success, and Mazda did it's job.

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